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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <<Travis BickleWhat is the relative value of their match victories?> What other World Champion won two consecutive World Chess Candidate Matches 6-0 6-0? You couldn't win 6-0 6-0 at tiddly winks you arrogant nincompoop!!> Not only have I won in many venues, I can pick up someone 40lbs heavier than me - who doesn't want to get picked up - and drop him on his head. So, to whom do you think you are casting aspersions, behind your computer screen, boy? |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <perfidious> I agree... and didn't know Taimanov "bought" his way into the Candidates matches. How did that all go down? |
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Sep-11-13
 | | perfidious: <Everett>: The answer is in the kibitzing to Taimanov vs Matulovic, 1970, the final-round 'game' which ensured Taimanov a spot. See also Palma de Mallorca Interzonal (1970). |
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Sep-11-13 | | diceman: <Travis Bickle: Just out of curiosity are there any mathematicians out there... What are the odds of a GM beating 2 GM's in a row 6-0 in high level match play? I read once that the feat Fischer pulled off in baseball terms was like throwing back to back no hitters!> According to this:
<Looking back at Fischer’s candidates matches, there is only a 0.16% chance of one player winning 6–0 against an equally skillful opponent> It would be about .026%.
So its up there with the 1984 match between Kasparov and Karpov
reaching its conclusion. |
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Sep-11-13 | | diceman: <Travis Bickle: <Everett> You call Bobby Fischers 20 game win streak a fluke?! Super Grandmasters don't win 20 straight games because of a fluke, it's called a genius at his highest peak!!> Fischer also went 11-0 in a US Championship.
I guess he was “fluke” prone? |
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Sep-11-13 | | diceman: <Everett
Play that scenario a hundred times in any simulation, Fischer still wins, but not by the same score.>Tell that to Larsen. |
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Sep-11-13 | | MarkFinan: <harrylime: <Mark>
Fischer is THE greatest chess player that's ever lived. And YOU and THIS site don't get it.>
Ok, youre starting to creep me out a bit now! |
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Sep-11-13 | | Travis Bickle: <Everett: <<Travis BickleWhat is the relative value of their match victories?> What other World Champion won two consecutive World Chess Candidate Matches 6-0 6-0? You couldn't win 6-0 6-0 at tiddly winks you arrogant nincompoop!!>
Not only have I won in many venues, I can pick up someone 40lbs heavier than me - who doesn't want to get picked up - and drop him on his head. So, to whom do you think you are casting aspersions, behind your computer screen, boy?> What's 40 more pounds got to do with it? You behind your computer moron boy, I say I could kick your teeth out. What city and state do you live? Maybe we can work something out. ; P |
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Sep-11-13 | | MarkFinan: <Travis Bickle: Just out of curiosity are there any mathematicians out there... What are the odds of a GM beating 2 GM's in a row 6-0 in high level match play? I read once that the feat Fischer pulled off in baseball terms was like throwing back to back no hitters!> Like Lionel Messi, the greatest footballer ever breaking every record going on his way to scoring 83 goals in a season. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Travis Bickle: <perfidious: <Everett>: One thing sure; <Travis> does not understand that even Fischer acknowledged that the run of play might well have left him winning against Taimanov by only 3.5-2.5.
It is, of course, impossible to explain this simple fact to anyone obsessed with Fischer worship, who therefore has no intention whatever of being objective.> To "Benedict Arnold" perfidious. ; P
I don't worship Fischer you a$$h@!$. I just stated the obvious. I once listened to a Lev Pshakis lecture the principle trainer of The Polgar sisters say that chess by it's very nature is a very drawish game. To win 6-0 twice whether a player is pressing for a win or not is besides the point. They couldn't even get a draw in the 1st couple of games?? Your the sun god worshipper. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Travis Bickle: <MarkFinan: <Travis Bickle: Just out of curiosity are there any mathematicians out there... What are the odds of a GM beating 2 GM's in a row 6-0 in high level match play? I read once that the feat Fischer pulled off in baseball terms was like throwing back to back no hitters!>
Like Lionel Messi, the greatest footballer ever breaking every record going on his way to scoring 83 goals in a season.> I appreciate your comparison Mark, thanks. P.S. Give these asshats time for their huge craniums to pontificate and they will dispute 101 ways Messi was never the greatest and why he never could be. Also they will probably say you are an obsessed fanboy of Messi. |
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Sep-11-13 | | schweigzwang: So what if it's a fluke? It's still remarkable. And how often does it happen? Some say that the Interzonal part of that streak--or for that matter even his tremendous Interzonal overall results--are really not that impressive because of the weak players in the field ("patzers I reckon to beat"). Yet after seeing what happened in the World Cup, I'm not sure this argument is worth anything. And sure, maybe the match scores are skewed by the player falling behind having to press, ... but please let me know if anyone ever does it again. Then maybe I'll think it wasn't so special. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <but please let me know if anyone ever does it again> That's EXACTLY why it is a fluke. It wasn't repeated. Again, not the match victories, but the scores. Once something is repeated it it is less of a fluke and more legitimate, like winning the candidates cycle twice (Smyslov, Spassky, Korchnoi, Karpov) or defending the WC title multiple times (Karpov, Kasparov) Or an amazing string of tournament wins, like what Karpov, Kasparov and now Carlsen have put together. Consistency, no breaks, constant excellence. Only this overcomes the stain of "fluke." |
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Sep-11-13 | | John Abraham: Bobby Fischer, at 6'2" and tall and skinny with long limbs usually associated with his lanky body type, was a health fanatic. He believed that chess was as much physical as it was mental (and in his case he often like to blur the lines between the two, referring to chess as "mental masturbation"). In that regard Bobby is a true pioneer and visionary, also in the way that he terrorized tournament organizers and the media and captured international attention Bobby was a frequent walker and loved walking, utilizing his long limbs to his advantage just as he did at the chess board when he played chess with gentlemen (and played another game of footsie under the table to distract them). Bobby had prophetically stated, "People have been playing me below their strength for years" As is well documented he also preferred chess over the female persuasion, for example at a chess tournament in Yugoslavia one of his friends invited him to a model catwalk ramp show event. Bobby soon got bored of the models and pulled out his pocket chess set and began analyzing, in fact asking his friend what he thought of a particular variation of the Sicilian Defense But, not even Bobby was immune to these charms as he was reported to be seen dancing with young Icelandic blondes at a club following his 1972 World Championship Triumph (this was after he had finished off his delicious steak though) |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <What's 40 more pounds got to do with it? > My goodness, I wasnt asking for a throwdown, lunatic. Im stating im a competitive athlete. You know, with referees. Just like any athlete who competed at university, I've won my share. In other words, you dont know who you are talking to, and the tone you use is inappropriate, meant to inflame. You should be more careful and respectful. Of course, if I were to ever meet someone whose sole exercise is rubbing a Fischer doll, that extra 40lbs of lifting strength may be of some importance. <You behind your computer moron boy, I say I could kick your teeth out. What city and state do you live?> Ahh, you're a wannabe thug. Direct threats, sent with the veracity of a mouse click. Your aggressiveness, willingness to instigate with insults, and your <tough> choice of avatar all reek of an immense amount of compensation. Also, the shear fact that you cleave so tightly to Fischer, that every <knock> on him is a personal insult to you, may indicate you haven't become your own man yet. Good luck with it. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <MarkFinan> <http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/45843...> Messi's stats year after year after year prove his performance is not a fluke. No breaks, consistent excellence over years against many opponents. He doesn't just show up for the playoffs. Still, he is young, and if he stopped playing today, he would have a question mark regarding his legacy. Though Messi's star has shined brighter, very few outside of the sport remember Marco Van Basten, who's brilliant career was over at 28.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc...
Longevity matters. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Travis Bickle: <What's 40 more pounds got to do with it? My goodness, I wasnt asking for a throwdown, lunatic. Im stating im a competitive athlete. You know, with referees. Just like any athlete who competed at university, I've won my share. In other words, you dont know who you are talking to, and the tone you use is inappropriate, meant to inflame. You should be more careful and respectful. Of course, if I were to ever meet someone whose sole exercise is rubbing a Fischer doll, that extra 40lbs of lifting strength may be of some importance.> Your the one that started barking threats from behind your computer screen not me. You don't know who you are talking to. I didn't go to university 'Ol boy. I was in a war zone when I was 18 years old! I have nothing to prove to you. P.S. As to your powerful strength Matey, that's why they sell guns! Cheerio 'Ol boy. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: <Travis> right, insult someone, get intimidated by the response, and start mentioning guns. Indeed you have nothing to prove, you make your case, and sensibilities, quite clear. |
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Sep-11-13 | | Everett: < perfidious: <Everett>: The answer is in the kibitzing to Taimanov vs Matulovic, 1970, the final-round 'game' which ensured Taimanov a spot.
See also Palma de Mallorca Interzonal (1970).> Thanks for that. I had no idea about it beforehand. |
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Sep-12-13
 | | chancho: Simultaneous Exhibition
Philadelphia
May 3, 1964
[White "Fischer, Robert James"]
[Black "Killian, Anthony J"]
[ECO "C26"]
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bc5
4.f4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.d3 Nc6
7.f5 a6 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bh4 b5 10.Bb3 Nb4
11.a3 Nc6 12.Nd5 Nd413.Nxd4 Bxd4
14.c3 c6 15.Nxf6+ gxf616.cxd4 d5
17.Qh5 Kh7 18.dxe5 Qa5+19.Kd1 Kg8
20.Qxh6 dxe4 21.Bxf6 exd3 22.Qg7 1-0
http://billpriceweb.com/fischer2.html |
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Sep-12-13 | | todicav23: <Everett> What exactly are you trying to prove? Fischer's results between 1970 and 1972 are unmatched in the entire history of chess. 20 consecutive wins are enough to say that Fischer was by far the strongest player at that time. Even Kasparov says that the gap between Fischer and the rest of the players was never reached by any other player.
Carlsen and Topalov both said that Fischer is the closest player to perfect chess. Kasparov had amazing results. But he enjoyed a series of advantages: he has an army of GMs working for him (that's why he was exceptionally strong in the opening), he was always first to get the newest software and databases (research this subject if you like), he had the opportunity to play Karpov when he was young. But he collapsed when he encountered Kramnik, a very strong and very prepared player. Kasparov was very successful against "weaker" players but he never dominated Karpov and Kramnik. I think Fischer would be favorite in a hypothetical match against Kasparov, both in their prime. I don't think people truly appreciate the dimension of Fischer's performance. He was basically alone against the soviet players and he managed to beat them convincingly. |
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Sep-12-13 | | todicav23: <perfidious: <Everett>: One thing sure; <Travis> does not understand that even Fischer acknowledged that the run of play might well have left him winning against Taimanov by only 3.5-2.5.> I heard this so many times and I think it is a nonsense. Why this logic only works against Fischer? Let's take Fischer - Spassky match, 12.5-8.5. Fischer lost a game by refusing to play so the score should be 12.5-7.5. But wait, Fischer also blundered badly in the first game. Mighty Fischer could not make such a blunder, so the score should really be 13-7. And I'm sure Fischer missed a win during the games 14-20... Plus, Fischer was always late when the games started so you can say that he played with time handicap. |
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Sep-12-13 | | tolengoy: < that's why they sell guns!> Nobody better mess with travis:
http://youtu.be/3dBn3fW1ijU |
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Sep-12-13 | | tolengoy: <<Everett> What exactly are you trying to prove? > That Garry and Magnus are better than Fischer?
Maybe Everett is Russian or a Magnus fanboy. |
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Sep-12-13 | | tolengoy: <Messi's stats year after year after year prove his performance is not a fluke. No breaks, consistent excellence over years against many opponents. He doesn't just show up for the playoffs.> Is this Messi guy even a prodigy? What age did he started playing soccer? Wesley was a GM before he turned 15. Messi...don't you mess with wes lee. |
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