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Jan-09-25 | | The Rocket: <But in the end the lack of a rematch hurt his reputation and helped Capa's.> Capablanca avoided defending his title for 6 years. |
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Jan-09-25
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Fischer always fished for GOAT, never for fish - not even whale sharks. |
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Jan-09-25 | | Petrosianic: <The Rocket:> <Capablanca avoided defending his title for 6 years.> Nobody could raise the money. Rubinstein and Nimzovich both challenged, but failed to get backing. I'm still not sure how Alekhine did get it, when almost nobody but Reti thought he had a chance of winning. |
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Jan-09-25 | | Petrosianic: Shirov had the same problem getting backing to challenge Kasparov. Who's going to pay to see you play a match if they don't think you can win it? |
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Jan-09-25 | | Petrosianic: <[Fischer] had a funny habit: while his opponent was pondering a move, he would now and then brush off specks of dust, real or imaginary, from the opponent's side of the chessboard. Eventually, Petrosian broke him of the habit by giving him a rap on the fingers. " --- Alexander Koblents> That's actually mentioned in Jerry Sohl's book <Underhanded Chess> as one of the many ways of annoying your opponent. One of my favorites was when Sohl was playing a music lover, and had had a friend record a tape of classical music in which he'd deliberately hit a bad note now and then. Another good one is the Aufnamevermogen vs. Aufkamkeitsverteiling Gambit that I wouldn't even think of telling in my own words. You'd have to hear it from him. |
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Jan-09-25 | | The Rocket: <Shirov had the same problem getting backing to challenge Kasparov> Not true. Shirov had an offer on the table but declined because he deemed the prize money was too low. |
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Jan-09-25 | | The Rocket: <Who's going to pay to see you play a match if they don't think you can win it?> There was never much controversy. First of all, Capa was not much of a sportsman. He never had a huge competitive drive and the supposed rematch feud was not what historians made it out to be. Second of all, Capablanca said during their first match that he couldn¨t play chess and win certain games that Alekhine managed. it wasnt a fluke. Far from it, Alekhine played straight into Capas hand and still beat him. I suppose you could say Alekhine got what Karpov wanted out of Fischer. Karpov has lamented on the fact that his abilities as a chess player were hemmed in by not getting to play Fischer. Alekhine went from being a trickster to a tempered, active, attacking positional player. Without Capa this would have never happened. Alexander had enormous resolve and determination. He set out his plan ten years in advance to dethrone Capa by avoiding to play him to boost moral. He said so openly. Can you imagine today a chessplayer writing in his diary that he will mentally prepare for ten years to beat someone, list point by point how, and then go ahead and do it? Even more crazy, Alekhine was supposed to be executed as a teen but was granted mercy because he was as chessplayer and the hang man (or whatever the method was) was a chess fan. It was clearly written in the stars that Alekhine would be world champion. |
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Jan-09-25 | | Petrosianic: <The Rocket>: <Not true. Shirov had an offer on the table but declined because he deemed the prize money was too low.> You're right, that's what happened. Not that Shirov couldn't get ANY offer, just not one he considered adequate. The fact that he was something like 0-8 against Kasparov at the beginning of 1999 probably has something to do with why people weren't willing to pay more. |
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Jan-15-25
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RJF's "life's checkmate anniversary" is coming up after a few days on January 17. On this occasion let's, savor: fish on ice
honor: Fischer on Iceland, where he's RIP |
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Jan-16-25
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<https://www.bing.com/images/search?...> <https://www.bing.com/images/search?...> |
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Jan-24-25 | | Petrosianic: Since there's no forum for it, I'll ask it here. What is this bizarre thing where people seem allergic to moving center pawns in Fischer Random? Here's one I just played:
 click for larger viewBlack to move has played 15 moves and hasn't moved a center pawn yet. And this kind of thing happens all the time. I get that there are situations where you might want to make odd opening moves. More likely to play b3 or g3 if a Bishop is on a corner square. Maybe even 1. f3 if a Bishop is on g1. But the basic rules of positional play don't go out the window in Fischer Random. Black is 1926 Blitz, so he should know them. |
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Jan-24-25 | | FM David H. Levin: <<Petrosianic>: Since there's no forum for it, I'll ask it here. What is this bizarre thing where people seem allergic to moving center pawns in Fischer Random?> Hi, <Petrosianic>. My only guess is that those opponents didn't fully grasp the benefit of having center pawns on the fourth rank. Maybe they know that it enables one's bishops and queen to develop, but they don't understand the value of a territorial advantage in the center (let alone on a wing). Hence they didn't transfer the principle of "controlling the center" to a different starting position. As for why the e8-bishop wasn't freed earlier, perhaps the player viewed this bishop as many players in conventional chess view the rooks: to be developed almost as an afterthought. I surmise that you haven't had an opportunity to have a brief post mortem with any of those opponents. |
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Jan-24-25 | | Petrosianic: <FM David H. Levin:> No, no post-mortems, and I'm not sure how much I want to talk opponents out of bad strategy. It's just odd that so many people do this. I guess you're right, they only see center pawn moves as a way of developing the Bishops, and if it doesn't do that, they don't play it. |
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Jan-24-25
 | | beatgiant: <Petrosianic> FYI, we don't have a specific Fischer Random forum, but we do have a chess variants page here: Chess variants (000) As for your question, probably those players don't have much grasp of opening strategy and are completely dependent on known lines. Getting people out of their opening books is the whole point of Fischer Random. |
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Feb-04-25 | | Gottschalk: Listen the Wonderful Guy!!
(Only for 1.e4 fans)
"I Hate CHESS!"
"It's ridiculous, it gets harder and harder"
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nMEP... |
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Feb-10-25 | | Gottschalk: "Chess is a intelectual masturbation."
--- Bobby Fischer |
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Feb-10-25 | | Petrosianic: <Gottschalk: "Chess is a intelectual masturbation."
--- Bobby Fischer>
But Fischerrandom somehow isn't. Go figure.
Did Fischer misspell "intellectual" too? |
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Feb-21-25 | | Gottschalk: "Fischer is a mental ill. " -Anatoly Karpov |
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Feb-21-25 | | Gottschalk: <Petrosianic>
So, in the English language you have an extra " L".
Well, unnecessary!!
The opening and middlegame positions of 1.e4 have been known for centuries. Someone who chooses 1e4 to start the game will be stressed, tired and bored. It doesn't surprise me that these Bobby Fischer maniacs end up hating the game just like their Master. Alekhine's game was so beautiful, Kasparov and Reti were Artists!
And Bobby? He ended his career at 29 and started making crazy statements. I don't know what to think. Was he crazy his whole life?
Or did the madness start when he learned chess from his sister or later from Pandolfini? I don't care. Chess is still very much alive without Fischer
There were many who tried to destroy the game or 1.d4 _But they didn't succeed. |
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Feb-24-25 | | Gottschalk: "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shackling the mind and brain so that the inner freedom of the very strongest must suffer." Albert Einstein
That citation starts the documentary
Chess documentary: Bobby Fischer Against The World (2011)
U can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pav... |
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Feb-24-25 | | Petrosianic: <Gottschalk>: <So, in the English language you have an extra " L". Well, unnecessary!!> Oh, I didn't realize it was an alternate spelling. British English is even worse, as they have words like "Travellers" (in American it's "Travelers"), and "maneouvre", which in American is just "maneuver". Not to mention words like "colour", "encyclopaedia", "odour", and lots of others. The British love unnecessary letters. |
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Feb-24-25 | | Petrosianic: <Gottschalk>: <I don't know what to think. Was he crazy his whole life? Or did the madness start when he learned chess from his sister or later from Pandolfini?> You've completely lost me with the comment about Fischer learning chess from Pandolfini. Maybe it's a joke that doesn't translate. It's debatable to me whether Fischer was ever crazy at all, or whether he just never grew up. He didn't have a father, he never had a job or any responsibility. He never learned a lot of things that most people learn, and it seemed like there were a lot of people who wanted to make sure he never did, as if they got vicarious enjoyment from his living that way. I have a friend who's a hard core Fischertarian, in the religious sense. So much so that she's decided in her mind that Fischer got in trouble with the IRS because somebody reported him, and wants that person to literally go to hell. It's more likely that no such person exists, and Fischer only drew the attention of the IRS after so many years because a) because he became an international criminal, and b) because he finally had enough money for the IRS to smell. Nobody cares whether you pay when your tax bill would be 98¢ anyway. But when you win three and a half million dollars, they perk up. I've had many discussions with this person. She discounts anything wrong Fischer did with the assurance that he was crazy, therefore not responsible for anything. But the moment you discount something she likes on the grounds that he was crazy, therefore unreliable, she does an about face and insists that you can't call him crazy because he was never diagnosed as such, et cetera. It's irrational, but this is an emotional process, not a logical one. Joshka is that way, only worse, as he deliberately spreads misinformation to the unsuspecting. <Chess is still very much alive without Fischer There were many who tried to destroy the game or 1.d4 _But they didn't succeed.> That's a behavior very well known in sci-fi and other fandoms. People who leave a club often aren't content to just leave it. They don't want the club continuing to exist without them, and try to wreck the joint on their way out. Thus, in Fischer's mind, the world title DIDN'T go on without him. All the games in all the matches played after 1972 were pre-arranged move for move. They didn't really happen. As for 1. d4, it will never go away, but fashions will change. There was a time in the early 50's, when it seemed like d4 had totally taken over, and other times when hardly anyone was playing it. |
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Feb-24-25 | | stone free or die: <<Petrosianic> It's debatable to me whether Fischer was ever crazy at all, ...> I really shouldn't be commenting, as I only glanced at the thread. But the above really caught my eye, coming from such a knowledgeable poster. So, if I may ask <Petrosianic>- How do regard the supposedly credible story that Fischer had all his fillings removed because he feared they could be used for radio transmissions? . |
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Feb-25-25
 | | Sally Simpson: Bruce Pandolfini was nine when Bobby played the game of the century. Fischer was not crazy but disturbed, unique, odd, gifted...those that knew him say he was OK. I doubt if Mr Polgar would have let a crazy person near his daughters. Can we not just take what he gave to chess and be thankful. 100's...1,000's took up the game in 1972 because of him and quite a few went on to be GM's. The Fischer Boomers will now be in the 60's and 70's. |
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Feb-25-25 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <How do regard the supposedly credible story that Fischer had all his fillings removed because he feared they could be used for radio transmissions> Remember the Russians had Spassky's chair dismantled to see if there was some kind of James Bond-style device inside making Spassky play badly. (According to Korchnoi, that story was NOT printed in Russia, by the way, only in the western press). I'm not saying Fischer couldn't have been crazy, only that it's not clear. I don't know if this story happened at all, or when it did, if it did. It's certainly deeply paranoid if true. Although with Russia the line between paranoia and reasonable fears is blurry. If I told you before it happened that Alexander Litvinenko would be murdered by radiation poisoning, that would probably sound crazy. But was Fischer crazy when he accused Korchnoi of throwing games at Curacao? Or just paranoid?
Was Fischer crazy when he accused Botvinnik of getting advice from his low-rated team captain? Or just a bad sport who didn't know how to keep the excuses plausible-sounding? If he was crazy, when did he go crazy? After winning the title, or before? Was he crazy when he tried to have Bob Ellsworth killed, or just a bad guy with no fear of accountability? I wouldn't be surprised if he went crazy after winning the title. His whole approach seemed to be to try to freeze time in his mind so that it would always be 1972, and he'd always be the best, even after he couldn't possibly be. That's such a major warping of reality that it would have to play with your mind. But I'm just guessing. |
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