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| Oct-14-14 | | lamont: ###
Read 'came a while ago' |
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| Oct-14-14 | | lamont: ###
ljfyffe ~
McLu's medium/message apothegm was
meant for advertisers.
Radio a hot medium.
TV a cool medium.
Hot Jerry Lewis failed as a Carson.
Radio = High definition medium
(you must pay constant attention.
Norman Rockwell's famous war illustration
of people gathered around the radio for news.
TV = Low definition medium
You have it on, say, in the kitchen
as background sound or walk away
& come back from any rm
not caring what was missed.
You cant do that w/ the bk/ medium.
Fewer kids today read bks/ for pleasure.
In high school I had a library of 100+.
The TV generation of kids are accused of
attention-deficit-"disorder" in school.
The TV medium 'massaged' them to
let their mind wander.
I was brought on Radio...hence/whence.
McLu regretted he didnt declare
The Medium is the Massage.
His work is still valid.
He was a Searchlight, not a Lighthouse,
as Oppenheimer sd/ of Einstein.
You & I cant be so easily pigeon-holed.
We live under the aegis of Confucius:
Truth awareness & fake fatiguing. |
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| Oct-14-14 | | lamont: ###
ljfyffe ~
A better translation from the Confucian
Analects iz by Ezra Pound:
Truth restful & fake is fatiguing.
The Communists have since gutted him. |
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| Oct-14-14 | | Shams: <lamont> Did Pound really learn Chinese? I've been enjoying this book this week:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-L... |
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| Oct-14-14 | | TheFocus: <Lamont> when I am on the phone with ladies, I don't use the gravelly voice, I use that soft Southern drawl. Girlfriend tells me I use it with her when I have done something wrong. |
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| Oct-14-14 | | lamont: ###
Shams ~
Good to hear yr/ voice again !!
Pound has the best translations of Confucius.
Go to Amazon Books -type 'Confucius,Pound'
Order the Pound bk/ containing
the 3 Confucian classics:
The Unwobbling Pivot+The Great Digest+Analects
He had learned many of the Ideograms & used the notes of noted sinologists Legge & Karlgren + he knew many close contemp/ scholars, like a Korean w/ the
improbable name of Achilles Fang !!
There is a superb chapter in Hugh Kenner's "The Pound Era" called
'The Invention of China'.
If you give me an address/zip, I will have Amazon mail them. It can be any
non-personal address, like yr/ butcher
or baker or friend, &cet/ |
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| Oct-14-14 | | lamont: ###
TheFocus ~
When I decide to turn gay,
I dont expect to hear any gravel !! |
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| Oct-15-14 | | PaulLovric: Bok bok bok bergerk |
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Oct-15-14
 | | perfidious: <ljfyffe: Too, that should be.> That two.
Or is it three? Thuh-ree, mayhap? |
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| Oct-15-14 | | ljfyffe: <meant for advertisers> If l may gutenberg for a moment...MM's message may have been directed at advertisers, but it was applicable to all types of media, including the works of literaries.ie, Emily's later style was telegraphic!
Like WCW, behind his writings lay Catholic theology, even if it be the excommunicatable kind. MM wrote his dissertation on Thomas Nash, out of which grew his thoughts on modern media. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | ljfyffe: <TV/Radio> McLuhan comes in a little blurry on this subject, at least, to me. One waits for an ad to leave the TV, but you can leave the radio simply by turning it up a bit. Kids are watching too much of TV's flashing images, some might say. People concentrated on their radios, because, perhaps, that was the only source of ongoing news in them there times. Now, it's
helter-skelter with everything playing at once. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | diceman: <PaulLovric: Bok bok bok> Beethoven Beethoven Beethoven |
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| Oct-15-14 | | ljfyffe: Well you can't beat hoven, especially if you're
watching The Lone Ranger, but it has been said that a radio has the best TV screen, because the images come from your imagination Music, nowadays, has been adulterated by the accompaning video that tells you what to imagine. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Petrosianic: Radio can also do swerves by making you imagine one thing then giving you something else. Like the Benny Show had a recurring joke that was usually a variation on something like: "I was thinking of this TV with the 30" screen. Now, how much does it cost?"
"$795."
"What??????"
"Jack! Stop choking him, he's just a salesman!"
On TV you would have seen he was choking him, and it wouldn't have been funny. Or they would have had to have an awkward camera angle to avoid showing it. And even then it wouldn't be funny just to see it, it's only funny hearing it after forming a different image in your mind. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | ljfyffe: Yes, the skit depends on the listener's (not viewer's) imagination, and, as you point out, what "actually" happens has to be pointed out.
Many shows have "canned laughter" to inform
you what is funny l guess, not to mention cued applause. Those, l seldom bother with. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | zanzibar: Sometimes a joke depends on lack of information - allowing for ironic mistakes to be made. Here, it's all auditory - many people "choke" or "gag" when they hear the (high) price for something (Jack Benny especially). Later you find out he's not the one who is choking, but rather the one who's doing the choking. (Wait a minute, doesn't that mean he's choking after all? There's some ambiguity in the English language about this!) This joke couldn't work on TV, since the very joke depends on misidentification. There's no need for canned laughter here... just an appreciation of irony (and Benny's aversion to spending money). |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Shams: Good comic strip artists also make use of what you guys are talking about. Garry Trudeau is the master of this. His panels will often be nothing but aerial shots of buildings, with speech bubbles emanating from them. That's all the reader gets of the conversation taking place inside, but it works. I think it was Walt Kelly who said admiringly of Trudeau, "anyone who can draw four bad pictures of the White House and succeed knows something I don't." |
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| Oct-15-14 | | lamont: ###
ljfyffe ~
The Lone Ranger
Sponsor: Silvercup Bread
Radio Station WOR
Mon/Wedns/Fri @ 7:30p
The classical music played
1) The William Tell Overture -Rossini
2) Les Preludes -Liszt
---nicht Beethoven.
(The Green Hornet had 'The Flight of the Bumble-Bee' by Rimsky Korsakov...
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McLu was paid huge amts. of $$ speaking to CEOs of large corporations, explaining how different media wd/ 'convey' their message.Big Corp. was then flat out clueless. Then of course he wrote the bks/
extrapolating his insights into-
History - The Gutenberg Galaxy is his masterpiece, which says among a myriad
of revelations, that Gutenberg's Print
medium destroyed song in poetry
(e.g. Troubadors) by making poetry
SILENT reading.
The Mechanical Bride showed the high
philosophy that was latent in familiar Comic Strips & contemp/ Advertising.
You had to write him to get a copy: they were in his home in Toronto.
He signed mine:
Cordially, H.M. McLuhan.
He underwent the longest brain surgery
then on record... many many hours.
I have all nine issues of his
"Verbi-Voco-Visual magazine,'Exploration'
The last large issue was on the Eskimos, who we read cd/ race across the shore on dog-sled & at the same time trace the irregular edge of the shore exactly, by listening to the sound the waves made in higher & lower volume. They are people of the EAR (acoustic)
A sound wave is a curved funnel, so that their igloos are curved. When WWII soldiers gave them Life Mag/ pictures to hang, they were hung at all different angles. Just as we wd/ straighten out,a tilted framed picture on our walls, because we are people of the EYE (visual) Understanding Media (fat bk.) had a plethora of objects we never thought of as media
- like the common clock !!
McLu was never fuzzy.
We still havent caught up w/ him.
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The best ever Benny Joke:
>OK, buddy, this is a stick-up !!
It's your money or your life !!
>>Benny w/ typical posed hand on cheek.
...pause...pause...
> Hey, pal,I said your money or
your LIFE !! !!
>> Benny: I'm thinking, I'm thinking !!
(on his TV show |
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| Oct-15-14 | | lamont: ###
Read Explorations |
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| Oct-15-14 | | lamont: ###
Shams ~
Bingo on Tredeau !!
Walt had Pogo very very famously say:
'We have met the enemy, & he is us!' |
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| Oct-15-14 | | lamont: @@@
zanzibar ~
You blurted:
'Who made Kasparov the know-all & be-all'
as the authority Bobby was the 1st Professional.
We are waiting for yr/ superior alternate.
You havent answered cawzzz you got
nuthin' to back up yr/ iggerunt bluff.
You are all roars & no claws.
You are a one-man hot-air balloon.
Can you spell P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C... |
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| Oct-15-14 | | john barleycorn: Guys, honestly, you lost me. I cannot follow your discussion as interesting as it may be. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Petrosianic: <Many shows have "canned laughter" to inform you what is funny l guess, not to mention cued applause. Those, l seldom bother with.> Even worse is when the canned laughter laughs at things that AREN'T funny. Sometimes things that weren't even intended to be funny. I watched some Donna Reed shows on Hulu recently, and they drove me nuts by sticking in canned laughter at all the wrong times. Someone walks into a room, they laugh. Someone gives an exasperated sigh, they laugh. Even the writer didn't intend for there to be laughs in those spots. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Petrosianic: Cued applause sometimes works, though. I've seen gags that involved one person telling jokes and bombing, and someone else getting big laughs with the exact same joke. Those only work if the audience is told when to laugh and when to keep quiet. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Donkey Cult: < Petrosianic: <They were told by their p.r. firm this was bad for their image>
In what way?> I apologize for the delay; I hadn't seen your question. They were told chess was "too intellectual" and the market was too small; tennis appealed to a larger and wealthier group. |
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