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Sep-28-15 | | john barleycorn: <eggman> yes, there is an open field for speculation and not a single doctor's assessment. I don't know. But ever since a person's "calibre" was assessed by his achievements not by his personality etc.
Who ever condemned Einstein by his handling of his son? |
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Sep-28-15 | | Petrosianic: That's not entirely true, there is some overlap. The achievements of Ted Williams and Ty Cobb were phenomenal, but their legacies are still affected by how they carried themselves as people. Cap Anson is remembered more for that than anything else. Their personalities didn't affect their statistics, but did affect how admirable people found them to be. In some cases, it even affected statistics. One year Williams hit for the Triple Crown, but lost the MVP award because one midwestern newspaper left him completely off their 10 man ballot. |
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Sep-28-15
 | | perfidious: <TheFocus....I keep him around because he always pays his rent on time.> Fair enough, but does he cover <yours> into the bargain? |
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Sep-28-15 | | diceman: <Petrosianic:
Their personalities didn't affect their statistics, but did affect how admirable people found them to be. In some cases, it even affected statistics. One year Williams hit for the Triple Crown, but lost the MVP award because one midwestern newspaper left him completely off their 10 man ballot.> That's still an active player in his prime.
The real question is: How many stories were written about Fischer's Jewish/and American views by 1972? ...probably little or none.
Words like brash, eccentric, loner, genius, were used. ...most "hate" displayed by Fischer was for conformity, the low standards for chess, and the Russians for "fixing" chess. ...because we've seen it all we forget what was going on. ...no one was "judging" Fischer in 1972 for his 9/11 comments. |
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Sep-28-15
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Eggman,
"I remember reading about Fischer placing anti-Jewish pamphlets on cars at 4 in the morning way back in 1965." Did you read that back in 1965 or was it written after 1975 when everybody and their dog chipped in with an opinion. I always answer pre 1972 anti Jewish rants with -
Netanya (1968)
"The tournament commemorated the 20th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel." That was 1968.
In 2005 we get:
"The United States is an illegitimate country, just like Israel. It has no right to exist." What ever happened, (not qualified to speak about it - a nervous breakdown seems to cover a multitude of mental disorders.) happened many years later. |
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Sep-28-15 | | TheFocus: I am not surprised that no one has ever come out and said: "Some bearded dude was putting these flyers under windshield wipers, and I saved mine." Why not? Never happened. There is no evidence that Fischer ever did this. |
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Sep-28-15
 | | HeMateMe: I've never saved any Watchtower pamphlets. But, it was never Michael Jackson handing them to me... |
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Sep-29-15 | | diceman: <TheFocus: I am not surprised that no one has ever come out and said: "Some bearded dude was putting these flyers under windshield wipers, and I saved mine." Why not? Never happened. There is no evidence that Fischer ever did this.> Fischer once said:
<... I like a waiter to wait on me.> He probably would have someone "do" his pamphleting.
Hmmmmmmmm,
...did Fischer ever meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
I'm sure with enough work we can get Fischer on the grassy knoll. |
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Sep-29-15 | | unferth: <Eggman: I remember reading about Fischer placing anti-Jewish pamphlets on cars at 4 in the morning way back in 1965.> There's no mention of Jews in the pamphlet he indisputably did write and distribute, "I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse." One would think that if his virulent anti-Semitism predated that time (1981), it would have crept into that rant somewhere. |
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Sep-29-15
 | | keypusher: <unferth: <Eggman: I remember reading about Fischer placing anti-Jewish pamphlets on cars at 4 in the morning way back in 1965.>
There's no mention of Jews in the pamphlet he indisputably did write and distribute, "I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse." One would think that if his virulent anti-Semitism predated that time (1981), it would have crept into that rant somewhere.> Evidence of (arguably non-virulent) anti-Semitism dates back at least to the Ginzburg interview. http://bobbyfischer.net/bobby04.html
The interview also hints at a preoccupation with the Nazis and a worrying degree of paranoia. |
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Sep-29-15
 | | AylerKupp: Saw "Pawn Sacrifice" yesterday. Sadly, there were only two of us in the theater, me and another woman my age. And during the movie she left her seat and I thought that she was leaving, but she returned with more popcorn. Sadly, she didn't offer me any. Inaccuracies aside (I lost track after about a dozen or so), I liked Maguire's and Schreiber's performances, even though I thought Maguire's was somewhat over the top. But both captured Fischer's and Spassky's mannerisms very well, particularly Schreiber. And I recognize that many of the "inaccuracies" were deliberate both to enhance the dramatic effect and keep the movie to a reasonable length; e.g. it was fine to show Fischer resigning his first match game to Spassky after 29...Bxh2 30.g3. What would have been the point in waiting until the actual resignation on move 56? The majority of moviegoers wouldn't know the difference and it wouldn't make a difference to the movie either. As Alfonso Cuarón, the director of "Gravity" said, "If you want facts, go see a documentary." A documentary "Pawn Sacrifice" isn't. Other players also gave good performances, particularly Peter Sarsgaard as Bill Lombardy and Michael Stuhlbarg as Fischer's lawyer Paul Marshall. All in all, an enjoyable movie for both chess lovers and, I think, non-chess lovers. Recommended to all, provided that those with knowledge of chess events are not bothered by the inaccuracies. |
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Sep-29-15
 | | AylerKupp: <Sally Simpson> Jan Hein Donner has been quoted (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby...) that at the time of the Bled 1961 tournament "He idolized Hitler and read everything about him that he could lay his hands on. He also championed a brand of anti-semitism that could only be thought up by a mind completely cut off from reality". The source of the quote is from Donner, J. H. (2006). The King: Chess Pieces. New in Chess.ISBN 90-5691-171-6. If true, this certainly predates the Netanya 1968 tournament. Maybe someone can get a copy of Donner's book and verify that indeed it says that. But, even if someone can, a lot depends on one's opinion of Donner's credibility. |
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Sep-29-15
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi AylerKupp.
Donner seems to have tagged Fischer pretty well. This was written in 1972. "... it doesn't take much insight into human nature to predict that Fischer will not be world champion for long. His quirks, moods and whims will turn against him at the moment when he has reached the top. He'll hit out hard, but at nothing but thin air." The keyword maybe 'whims' if he felt like he did in 1961 then why play in Israel in 1968...a whim? The enigma of Bobby Fischer....I'm just grateful he left us those game. Thanks. |
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Sep-30-15
 | | Eggman: In an interview Tobey Maguire claims that his Pawn Sacrifice co-star Peter Sarsgaard is a chess enthusiast and a "ranked-player." Anyone know anything about this? |
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Sep-30-15
 | | moronovich: <Eggman: In an interview Tobey Maguire claims that his Pawn Sacrifice co-star Peter Sarsgaard is a chess enthusiast and a "ranked-player." Anyone know anything about this?> You could e-mail
the former editor of "Schackbladet" (the swedish pendant to NIC)Lars Grahn - grahn1@gmail.com -.He is a very nice guy and I am shure he would like to answer your question. Good luck ! |
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Sep-30-15
 | | Troller: I don't know if Lars Grahn is acquainted with Peter Sarsgaard. Despite his name, Peter is American by birth, but I do not find him in the USCF database, nor in the FIDE database. |
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Sep-30-15 | | pazzed paun: <eggman> if Sarsgaard only plays on the Internet and has never played in an over the board tournament he could be a ranked but not titled player ranging in strength from about 1800 uscf to barely knowing how the pieces move
Maguire would simply be giving his impression of this with a very limited chess background |
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Sep-30-15
 | | Sally Simpson: If this film, 'Pawn Sacrifice', has that many factual Chess blunders in it then I for one simply cannot wait for Edward Winter's review of it. |
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Sep-30-15 | | Jim Bartle: The trailer I saw says Fischer could "see 150 moves ahead." Winter might start with that. |
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Sep-30-15
 | | perfidious: <Jim: The trailer I saw says Fischer could "see 150 moves ahead."> And 3200-strength computers think they are strong.... Further proof of Fischer's greatness, don't you know. |
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Sep-30-15 | | Petrosianic: <Jim Bartle: The trailer I saw says Fischer could "see 150 moves ahead." Winter might start with that.> 150 moves, nothing. He could see the 12th move of Fischer-Czerniak, 1968 while he was still on the 36th move of Fischer-Trifunovic, 1961. |
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Sep-30-15
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Jim,
150 moves....piece of cake.
We can do that if we class a move as a 'ply' so 150 moves made is 75 ½ moves by each player. from here....
 click for larger view...we must assume no blunders and after 75 moves the game will be stopped. Not by the 50 move rule, because in theory neither player is forced to claim it. But by the 75 move rule. Rule 9.6b states:
"That if 75 consecutive moves have been made without movement of any pawn or any capture, the game is drawn unless the last move was checkmate." This covers the possibility that neither player claims the draw after 50 moves and it is to stop them playing on forever and ever. The game stops on move 75. It is illegal to go any further. Not many people know that.
I've never tested it, but I wonder if computers STOP! on move 75 as per FIDE regulations and do not go any further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty... |
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Oct-01-15
 | | Joshka: Someone posted a quote from Garry, and Garry was lamenting on how he lost his 'youth" while becoming the youngest World Champion. He also stated he needs to also watch himself that he does not become cruel because of this. Very Interesting statement coming from Garry.......perhaps Bobby could not control the "cruel" from surfacing..... |
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Oct-01-15 | | Petrosianic: How does the existence of the 75 Move Rule help one to see all 75 moves in advance? |
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Oct-01-15 | | diceman: <Sally Simpson: Hi Jim,
150 moves....piece of cake.>
...unless it starts ...Bxh2. |
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