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May-12-10
 | | chancho: It would be nice to see Karpov win, but don't be too surprised if Illyumzicrook continues as FIDE Prez. |
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May-12-10 | | M.D. Wilson: Is the corruption that wide-spread in the chess world? |
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May-13-10 | | supy: Karpov with Kasparov
http://reports.chessdom.com/news-20... |
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May-14-10 | | jakaiden: His run is going good, but we still gotta show our support if we want Karpov 4 Pres. Of course, the hacks in power wanna stay in power. http://www.karpov2010.org/2010/05/r... |
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May-15-10 | | Karpova: Russian Chess Federation nominates Karpov.
<The Russian chess news site e3.35 reported that the meeting today of the Supervisory Board of RCF was attended by 18 of its 32 members. The opening remarks were delivered by Garry Kasparov, who told the audience that the previous reports in the media, stating that the Russian Chess Federation would support the candidacy of the current FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, did not match reality. After this the participants unanimously voted for the nomination of Anatoly Karpov as candidate for the FIDE presidency. The head of the Supervisory Board, A. Dvorkovich, and FIDE President Ilyumzhinov, did not attend the meeting. Supporters of Ilyumzhinov, who were present at the meeting, declared their intention to challenge the results, according to the radio Ekho Moskvy, Gazety.ru.> Source: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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May-16-10
 | | Ron: Some thoughts....Kirsan will probably be nominated by some other Federation, if not the Russian.
I wonder how much influence the backing of Karpov by the Russian Federation will have on other Federations...will Karpov get more votes than Bessell Kok? Turkey's Federation has already turned to the Dark Side... |
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May-16-10 | | Olavi: The rule used to be that one can't get elected without support from one's own federation. Probably FIDE has changed that during Iljumzhinov's reign. |
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May-16-10 | | hedgeh0g: I really hope Karpov gets elected. I'm sure his presidency would be a breath of fresh air for chess and would probably help to popularise the game a little more. |
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May-16-10 | | percyblakeney: Dvorkovich claims that he has Kramnik's full support in the ongoing Kirsan-Karpov conflict but I wonder how true that is: http://www.chesspro.ru/_events/2010...
http://translate.google.com/transla... |
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May-16-10 | | amadeus: I'd like to hear from the top players. Does anyone support Kirsan? |
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May-16-10
 | | gezafan: Kirsan I. has greatly diminished the prestige of chess by dismantling the previous world championship system.
He replaced it with silly systems.
He has also deprived chessplayers of great matches between great players in the candidates matches. In my view the last legitimate world champion was Kramnik after he beat Kasparov. They should go back to the old system with a 24 game match and candidates matches. Anand deserves to be legitimized as a world champion by a system that can be respected. |
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May-16-10 | | vanytchouck: < gezafan: Kirsan I. has greatly diminished the prestige of chess by dismantling the previous world championship system. He replaced it with silly systems. He has also deprived chessplayers of great matches between great players in the candidates matches. In my view the last legitimate world champion was Kramnik after he beat Kasparov. They should go back to the old system with a 24 game match and candidates matches. Anand deserves to be legitimized as a world champion by a system that can be respected.> If you are talking about the "interzonal + matches" system, the last legitimate world champion is then Kasparov in ... 1993! Kasparov and Short were missing in the 93-96 F.I.D.E. cycle and Kamsky the challenger has been eliminated in the P.C.A. one. Karpov was missing in the P.C.A. cycle and Anand has lot to Kamsky in the F.I.D.E. cycle. Of course as Garry was still the undisputed # 1, there was any problem to consider him as the genuine world champion. Kramnik may be a legitimate wc if you compare him with Lasker, Capablanca,..., Euwe. But he did lost the match of the challengers ... For me Anand is now undisputed as he became world champion via a process wich started in Mexico 2007 (wich can -at least -be seen as a candidates tournament) to his convincing win at Sofia in 2007. Even if it may have been better that he faced Topalov before facing Kramnik. But yes, definetly yes, it would be sooooooooooo good to see the candidates matches back (i mean long ones). I'm not sure that Karpov can change something.
At least the current F.I.D.E. president could organise them with his own money (i mean the money of his country). |
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May-16-10 | | I play the Fred: The most important task for the new president is to institute a world championship candidate system similar to what we saw for about 30 years from the mid 60's to the mid 90's. If I could run the chessworld myself, with absolute power, this is what I would do. (Many/most of these ideas are not new and not my own but have fallen out of fashion for some reason) 1) Four interzonal tournaments, seeding the players according to rating so that all four tournaments are approximately equal in strength. If a player is outside the top 40 in the world rankings, it seems unlikely that he could do anything in the candidates' cycle; however, steps would have to be taken if the number 40 player isn't rated substantially higher than the next two, three, five guys on the list. Maybe a "play-in" tournament becomes necessary, or maybe a jury of former candidates/champions nominates the most worthy player in that group. 2) The top two finishers in each interzonal tournament are the eight candidates to become the official challenger. Rating determines the seeding of these eight players - #1 plays #8, #2 plays #7, etc. 3) The first round of the candidates event is a series of 12-game matches. Tiebreaks are determinesd first by four rapid games, then four blitz games, then one armageddon blitz game. 4) The second round of the candidates event is a series of 16-game matches. Again, tiebreaks are determined first by four rapid games, then four blitz games, then one armageddon blitz game. 5) The candidate's final match is a 20-game match. Tiebreaks are determined by eight rapid games, then four blitz games, then one armageddon blitz game. 6) The world champiship match is a 24-game match. No tiebreaks here - if the match is drawn, the champion retains his title but is obligated by rule to play a 24-game rematch against the same opponent in the following year. That match, unfortunately, will require tiebreaks: eight rapids, then eight blitz, and one armageddon. (I know, I know, an armageddon game for the World Championship. But these two players have had 48 classical games, eight rapid games, and eight blitz games to sort this out and there's a new candidate's cycle coming up. There has to be an end to it sometime) 7) The world championship is contested every two years (except for rematches). In the intervening years, the Chess Olympiad is held. 8) The chess calendar would go something like this - let's begin our cycle in January 2012. Sometime between January and May of 2012, the Olympiad is held. June-July 2012: Interzonal tournaments
September-October 2012: Candidates round one
December-January 2013: Candidates round two
March-April 2013: Candidates Final
The World Championship Match is held no sooner than August 1st, 2013. If a rematch becomes necessary, and if it happens to coincide with the Olympiad, only the two championship contestants need be absent from the Olympiad. Also: instead of the top forty in rating for the four interzonals, maybe go with the top thirty-seven plus the women's World Champion, the senior World Champion, and the junior World Champion if those players aren't already in the top forty worldwide. |
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May-16-10 | | vanytchouck: Here would be my proposal as the FIDE president with absolute power and money from the country i am leading : 1)Each world championship takes place over 3 years.
2) There is 12 Grand Prix tournaments held on these three years (5 the first two years of the cycle and 2 the third year). These tournaments can be Wijk Aan Zee, Linares, the MTel master, Dortmund, etc ... 3) Each tournament consist of :
The A tournament;
The B tournament;
The C tournament.
4) Tournament A (double round robin)
The one that awards points
#1 = 10 pts;
#2 = 7 pts;
#3 = 4 pts;
#4 = 2 pts;
#5 = 1 pt;
#6 = 0 pt;
#7 = Relegated to the next B tournament;
#8 = Relegated to the next B tournament.
If - for example - the #1 and # 2 are tied, they will receive 8 pts each (as (10+7)/2 = 8.5 => 8).
If the #3; #4 and the #5 are tied, they will receive 2 pts each (7/3 = 2.33... => 2). 5) Tournament B (double round robin)
#1 = Promoted to the next A tournament;
#2 = Promoted to the next A tournament;
#3 = stay in the next tournament B;
#4 = stay in the next tournament B;
#5 = Relegated to the next C tournament;
#6 = Relegated to the next C tournament;
#7 = Relegated to the next C tournament;
#8 = Relegated to the next C tournament;
6) Tournament C (14 rounds swiss open; 48 contenders) #1 = Promoted to the next B tournament;
#2 = Promoted to the next B tournament;
#3 = Promoted to the next B tournament;
#4 = Promoted to the next B tournament;
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May-16-10 | | vanytchouck: ...
7) The players of the first GP are qualified according to the rating list of january. So we have the #1 to the # 8 in the tournament A, the #9 to #16 in the B, etc. All the players are compelled to take part to every tournaments they are qualified for. Including of course, the world champion. All the results count.
8) At the end of the GP cycle, the first eight are qualified for the quarter-finals. But
8.1) If the current world champion is the winner of the GP, he will receive the priviledge to be seeded in final. The #9 at the grand prix will be qualified. 8.2) If the wc is #2 or #3 he will be seeded in the semis. 8.3) If the wc is #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8, he will play since the quarters as the top seed #1. 8.4) If the wc is below the 8th rank, he will play a match against the # 8 to be qualified for the quarters. 9) Quarter-finals & semi-finals :
Best of 8 games + 4 "semi-classical" (1 hour k.o.) if needed + 6 rapids + 10 blitzs + the best ranked in the GP. 10) final of challenger (if needed):
Best of 10 games + 6 "semi-classical" (1 hour k.o.) if needed + 8 rapids + 12 blitzs + the best ranked in the GP. 11) final
Best of 16 games + 8 "semi-classical" (1 hour k.o.) if needed + 10 rapids + 16 blitzs + the best ranked in the GP. The world champion has the draw odd (only in the final). |
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May-16-10
 | | HeMateMe: No draw odds for a champion, and no auto rematch. and thats NON negotiable. |
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May-17-10 | | hedgeh0g: I think it belittles Anand's achievements to still not consider him a legitimate champion. He won a fiercely-contested tournament comprised of the best players in the world to take the title in 2007, beat a formidable match player in 2008 (who, let's not forget, beat Kasparov in their 2000 match) and has now beaten the world number 2 on his home turf. To call Anand anything less than World Champion is insulting. |
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May-18-10 | | M.D. Wilson: Anyone who doesn't consider Anand to be the World Champion is a fool. He is the World Champion! ... Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand. Simple as that. If he's not the World Champion, critics, then who is? |
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May-18-10 | | acirce: <I think it belittles Anand's achievements to still not consider him a legitimate champion. He won a fiercely-contested tournament comprised of the best players in the world to take the title in 2007, beat a formidable match player in 2008 (who, let's not forget, beat Kasparov in their 2000 match) and has now beaten the world number 2 on his home turf. To call Anand anything less than World Champion is insulting.> Of course, but I don't see what the above has to do with his World Championship status. He could have won a much weaker tournament and gone on to beat Bacrot and Motylev in subsequent matches, and he would have been World Champion exactly as much as he is now. On the other hand, he could have had the same excellent results as you describe in events <not> for the title, and it would not make him World Champion at all. |
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May-18-10 | | Petrosianic: It has nothing to do with his championship status. The greatness of his achievements and the legitimacy of the events he competed in are two totally different questions. However, I see no reason for doubting his legitimacy now. In 2000, yes. |
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May-18-10 | | amadeus: Karpov’s Letter on Receiving Russian Nomination:
http://www.karpov2010.org/2010/05/k... |
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May-18-10 | | I play the Fred: During their feuding years, Kasparov accused Karpov of changing his colors at the end of the USSR. That would make for an excellent campaign slogan: KARPOV: A CHANGELING WE CAN BELIEVE IN |
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May-18-10
 | | Open Defence: thus the Dominion was born... |
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May-18-10
 | | tamar: <The ancient ones banished by the Pantokrator have broken their shackles. They are awakening. There can only be one. A new chapter in the Akashic records is about to be written in the tattered flesh of the fallen... Dominions 3: The Awakening, is the follow up to the acclaimed fantasy strategy game, Dominions 2> Best of luck Analoly in getting rid of the Pantokrator of Elista... |
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May-18-10 | | hedgeh0g: <Of course, but I don't see what the above has to do with his World Championship status. He could have won a much weaker tournament and gone on to beat Bacrot and Motylev in subsequent matches, and he would have been World Champion exactly as much as he is now. On the other hand, he could have had the same excellent results as you describe in events <not> for the title, and it would not make him World Champion at all.> Which was essentially my point; not only has he won the WC, he's earned it. |
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