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May-30-10 | | amadeus: A very biased article, to say the least. |
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May-30-10 | | acirce: Of course - who'd pretend otherwise? |
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May-30-10 | | micartouse: About time for a different view, and Bareev probably would have done even better to leave out some of the unverifiable accusations. The quote that stands out to me is: <2006–2009. Happy years for chess. Several matches for the title were played. Chess world is unified. The number of top tournament increases alongside with earnings of professional chess players.> I have been concerned about this. Why is it that Ilyumzhinov gets no credit for his leadership in the clearly improved conditions of elite level chess? And more importantly, when a candidate says the chess world is in terrible shape, what changes is he exactly proposing? Even Danailov leaves me more assured about what he can do for chess. If it were just a popularity contest, I'm sure Karpov would win by a 90%+ margin, but it shouldn't be. These men all have records, which should trump all other considerations. |
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May-30-10 | | acirce: <<2006–2009. Happy years for chess. Several matches for the title were played. Chess world is unified. The number of top tournament increases alongside with earnings of professional chess players.> I have been concerned about this. Why is it that Ilyumzhinov gets no credit for his leadership in the clearly improved conditions of elite level chess?> Agreed, but to be honest, the one man mostly responsible for unifying the chess world with all the positive things that came from that is Vladimir Kramnik. <And more importantly, when a candidate says the chess world is in terrible shape, what changes is he exactly proposing?> Yep. Still waiting to find out what he plans to actually do. Plus, his choice to ally with Kasparov makes me both question his judgement and fear the consequences of his victory. I say this as somebody who has often defended Karpov against various accusations. |
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May-30-10 | | percyblakeney: Bareev sure doesn't mind making facts up to fit his agenda :-) <After Kasimdzhanov becomes new World knockout Champion, Kasparov of course receives a right to play a match for the title against him> Or presenting hearsay about Kasparov that doesn't seem too relevant to support the view that Kirsan is better suited to lead FIDE than Karpov: <They say that at the Bled Chess Olympiad, having his turn for a move, but just seeing Ilyumzhinov in the playing hall, Kasparov rushed to hug and kiss him> Bareev also talks about <a desperate effort> of Kasparov and Karpov involving <violating the Statutes> of the Russian Chess Federation (no such violation by Dvorkovich is mentioned after his nominating Kirsan after claiming to have talked with a couple of board members on the phone instead of having an actual vote by the members, as in Karpov's case...). <Karpov-Kasparov rapid chess match in Valencia. The announced series of similar matches does not take place due to the absence of interest in the world to their creative and sportive components.> I don't get what this type of remarks have to do with the question if Kirsan or Karpov would be better. It's not as if Kirsan's creative and sportive components are more interesting... |
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May-30-10 | | acirce: <After Kasimdzhanov becomes new World knockout Champion, Kasparov of course receives a right to play a match for the title against him> Whether this is correct or not seems to be a matter of interpretation. Also, it's possible for nuances to change in translation. A bit petty to accuse him of making up facts if you don't know for sure what he means. Other statements are much more questionable and/or irrelevant for the matter at hand, for instance the exact reasons for the GMA collapsing, or Kamsky's paranoid statements in 1996. But Bareev is right on most things. (And he hardly means that every little detail he mentions is evidence of KK's untrustworthiness) |
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May-30-10 | | percyblakeney: <Ponomariov refused to play the match due to very strong pressure from Kasparov himself> I have my doubts about this interpretation of facts as well... |
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May-30-10 | | percyblakeney: I don't even get the logic behind Bareev's claiming that Kasparov humiliated himself to get that match against Pono, only to pressure the latter into not playing. It doesn't make much sense if Kasparov's aim was to win the title back by any means, as Bareev puts it. |
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May-30-10 | | acirce: Oh please, Bareev is not claiming that he intentionally pressured Ponomariov into not playing. In your typical fashion, you keep interpreting all his statements in a maximally negative way. He is claiming that Kasparov and FIDE put such pressure on Ponomariov that Ponomariov eventually refused to play. |
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May-30-10 | | percyblakeney: <Oh please, Bareev is not claiming that he intentionally pressured Ponomariov into not playing.> I see :-) |
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May-30-10 | | BobCrisp: <I don't get what this type of remarks have to do with the question if Kirsan or Karpov would be better. It's not as if Kirsan's creative and sportive components are more interesting...> I think it has to do with the present commercial value of the 2Ks brand with regard to fundraising. But that raises the question: does Ilyumzhinov still bankroll FIDE? If not, what is his raison d'etre? |
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May-30-10 | | percyblakeney: Ivanchuk supports Kirsan:
http://od-news.com/index.php?option... http://translate.google.com/transla... |
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May-30-10 | | Red October: Karpov is one of my favorite chess players but I wonder if he is really the person to lead FIDE... we need someone who can mobilize Corporate sponsorship... |
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May-30-10
 | | HeMateMe: Why do you suppose the Ukrainian chess federation is supporting Kirsan? Just to be anti Russia? |
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May-30-10 | | amadeus: <Red October>, I would rather see Spassky in there (if we are going to take a world champion), but anything is better than Kirsan. 15 years is enough. The most important thing, in my opinion, is to make clear what his proposals are. So far, Karpov has not. As for the whole "chess is a sport" thing... well, it's a mind sport, that's quite clear to all of us who follow it; but it's not going to be in the Olympic Games any time soon. And truth be told, becoming an olympic sport would probably be nice to the federations, but I guess the players would not see much of the money :/ (I could be wrong, of course, but that's what happens in most cases) |
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May-30-10 | | amadeus: <I would rather see Spassky in there (if we are going to take a world champion)> Deep Blue is another option. I think the Vulcan federation would be 'happy' to support him. |
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May-31-10 | | percyblakeney: <I would rather see Spassky in there> Me too, in any case I'm no fan of Karpov, but Kirsan has been sitting safe for 15 years, introduced knockout World Championships and sudden cycle changes, and there's no reason that he should hold his position for life. It can only be a good thing with change now and then at such a post. Khalifman declares that he has no preference between the two but at the same time sounds much more pro-Kirsan than pro-Karpov: <There are pluses and a few minuses in Ilyumzhinov’s work> <Karpov has no program> <With Ilyumzhinov, when problems arise, he reaches in his own pocket, gets money and solves them. With Karpov, it is absolutely unclear for me how he would solve the problems> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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May-31-10
 | | Ron: It is curious that Bareev does not mention the toilet controversy in the Championship match in Elista. This controversy occurred under Kirsan's watch. This, among other things, tells against Kirsan's administration of chess. |
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May-31-10
 | | HeMateMe: Spassky is a man of honor, but too passive to sit on top of a can of worms like FIDE. I would like to see someone who has held a top spot on the IOC, <International Olympic committee> get it. Such a person will be used to having worked in the international arena, under close scrutiny and guidelines. It then occurs to one, that anyone who has held such a prestigious position would not want the FIDE job, unfortunately. Well, maybe Karpov can right the ship.... |
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May-31-10
 | | Ron: I read the translation of the Ivancuk interview provided by <perceyblakeney>.
To be blunt, the goal of making chess an Olympic sport is a pipe dream. The goal of the Olympics is to showcase physical achievement. |
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Jun-01-10
 | | GrahamClayton: <Ron>To be blunt, the goal of making chess an Olympic sport is a pipe dream. The goal of the Olympics is to showcase physical achievement. <Ron>
If chess was an Olympic sport, then all players would have to face random drug testing. With the amount of coffee that some players drink during games, there is a chance that they could have too much caffeine in their system! Back at the Seoul Olympics in 1988, Australian pentathlete Alex Watson failed a drugs test due to too much caffeine. |
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Jun-03-10 | | wordfunph: i missed where i lifted this story..
GM Ivan Sokolov remembered watching one of Anatoly Karpov's post-mortems, when he had won from some initially inferior Ruy Lopez with black. His opponent, slightly annoyed, remarked: "Here, after the opening, you were definitely worse." to which the 12th World Champion calmly replied: "Yes, but soon I was better." |
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Jun-03-10
 | | chancho: It's on, bee-otch!
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/9... |
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Jun-03-10 | | theagenbiteofinwit: Proof positive that the Kirsan doesn't need to be in charge of FIDE. An effective leader should be able to resolve verbal differences without resorting to lawsuits. |
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Jun-03-10
 | | HeMateMe: ....Ilyumzhinov stressed that he <fell> no personal offence for Karpov... If Karpov leads FIDE, I hope there is room for a proofreader in the budget. |
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