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Sep-29-10 | | I play the Fred: Well, Karpov has lost to Kirsan. And I've had it with all of this FIDE nonsense. |
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Sep-29-10 | | pawn to QB4: yes, a great pity. Here's how one newspaper in the UK reported it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/201... . Thanks for trying, maybe it's better to have people disappointed that you haven't been elected, than despairing because you have... |
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Sep-29-10 | | BobCrisp: According to the <Guardian>, Karpov lost by 30 votes (65-95), but Chessbase and other media state it was actually 40 (55-95). Chessbase: <Four years ago Ilyumzhinov beat Bessel Kok by 96-54.> So much for Kasparov's claim that the difference this time would be that they'd garnered much more support in Asia and Africa. Beware Third Worlders bearing gifts! |
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Sep-29-10 | | yalie: While it is depressing that we will have 4 more years of Kirsan, I'm glad FIDe is not being hijacked by that weasel Karpov and by Kasparov, who has destroyed anything he has touched so far. |
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Sep-29-10 | | twinlark: I wonder what percentage of registered FIDE players reside in the 55 countries that voted against Kirsan? I'm guessing 90% or more and probably a higher percentage of titled players. I'd suggest these countries break away and form a new international federation, and let the suitcase federations join in a revised capacity, with associate and tiered membership such as cricket is managing exceptionally successfully, except that Kirsan managed to nip that idea in the bud during the campaign by seizing the Russian federation - the heartland of chess - by force. Another four years of the sport being the laughing stock of the world, without even the resources stripped and stolen from the impoverished people of Kalmykia to bolster the World Championship cycle. What an absolute clusterf**k. |
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Sep-29-10 | | parisattack: <twinlark:> I could not agree more or have stated it as well. Too bad for classical chess... |
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Sep-29-10 | | Tomlinsky: Cool. Now we can have a (s)wanky rook at Ground Zero(TM) and TV appearances by Danailov claiming "I saved a lot of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico" I presume? There's a Rook House of yonder, baby... |
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Sep-30-10 | | BobCrisp: <Andrew Zagumennyi of the news service Informugra is reporting that the newly elected head of the World Chess Federation, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, made a surprise announcement immediately after the result of the election was known. He suggested that his opponent in this election, Anatoly Karpov, take the post of Vice-President of FIDE. The agency reports that Karpov has said that he needs time to think over the proposal.> He wouldn't, would he? |
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Sep-30-10 | | jackpawn: <BobCrisp> One would hope not. Maybe it's time for the federations that voted for Karpov to break away from the laughing stock that FIDE is today. What would they really be losing? |
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Sep-30-10
 | | chancho: <Mr. Karpov and his longtime rival, Garry Kasparov, had accused Mr. Ilyumzhinov of presiding over the game’s decline during the 15 years he has led the federation. They also accused him of mental instability. Mr. Ilyumzhinov has said he met with extraterrestrials in yellow suits at his Moscow apartment and that chess comes from outer space.> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/w... |
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Sep-30-10 | | TheFocus: Here is <TheFocus> cursin' Kirsan. And giving that snake of corruption the middle finger. |
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Sep-30-10 | | jackpawn: Seriously, it's time to start a new federation with sane leadership. |
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Sep-30-10
 | | Eric Schiller: <jack> It has been tried and failed every time. FIDE is internationally recognized and will never be replaced. |
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Sep-30-10 | | orio24: Yes, correct. It's time to start a new federation where all players could vote. No corrupted delegates. |
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Sep-30-10
 | | HeMateMe: Well, we had the Professional Chessplayers Association, for awhile. But, that fell apart like a log cabin made of Popsicle sticks. |
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Sep-30-10
 | | Ron: I wish Kirsan's alien friends take Kirsan away in their spaceship. |
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Sep-30-10 | | Atking: <Ron: I wish Kirsan's alien friends take Kirsan away in their spaceship.> why do you want aliens in such crazy mood? |
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Oct-01-10 | | I play the Fred: The top players have much more power than they realize. They could direct sponsors away from FIDE without much trouble with just a little bit of coordination. Why do players' unions have so much power and command so much salary in American sports? The answer is: people want to watch the players play. Who goes to a sporting event to watch the owner sit in his box? FIDE doesn't have to disappear. There's the WJ championships, the Olympiad, amateur events - a professionals association can exist alongside FIDE, in the same way that the USGA and the Royal and Ancient exist alongside the PGA. Someone needs to revive the GMA or the PCA. And this new body can properly handle the World Championship Cycle and the Grand Slam chess events (Wijk, Linares, Dortmund, etc.). Mr. Karpov, Mr. Kasparov - I, along with millions of chess fans around the world beseech you: Do not allow this defeat to fester and grow. FIDE has spoken - it wants nothing but degradation and discord for chess professionals everywhere - so it is up to the two of you to fight for the future of world-class chess. |
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Oct-01-10 | | Atking: <twinlark: I wonder what percentage of registered FIDE players reside in the 55 countries that voted against Kirsan? I'm guessing 90% or more and probably a higher percentage of titled players. I'd suggest these countries break away and form a new international federation, and let the suitcase federations join in a revised capacity...> I guess that was Campomanes who got the idea to make his dictatorship by one country one vote. It's funny to hear some of these little chess associations asking for democratic process when few hundred people can decided for millions. As I said in the Olympiad site, you may ask if the leaders of the associations who voted for Kirsan are not themself dictators. I gave the example of Japanese Chess Association which expelled many champions of the country let say the 17 times women champion Takemoto Naoko because she won a game in her opponent's time pressure. Only few were revolted by that. Many understand here she was expelled because the secretary of the president Matsumoto, Miss Watai couldn't be Japanese women champion any more. By the way at the death of the all time JCA President (Nearly 40 years!) his Secretary declared herself temporary president. This was 8 years ago...
Why do you want these people vote for democracy? I'm even not sure that JCA is a legal association according to Japanese laws. It's a kind of big familly with a boss. And of course if members increase it's a big problem. 100~200 this kind of organization can make a life but says 5000 members then elections debates, a transparent budget should be the force. Thus there is no real progress in Japan more and less the same situation than 40 years ago. Indeed not exactly Now we have internet and chess program! Yeah. And many young Japanese chess members have learned chess in US... |
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Oct-01-10 | | ycbaywtb: maybe the time when the World Champion decides who he plays and when was best/ no FIDE necessary |
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Oct-01-10 | | Mr. Bojangles: <Ilyumzhinov has given and continues to give huge amounts of financial support to chess, some $50 million by his own estimate since he first took office in 1995, and this makes him a very hard man to beat in a FIDE election. Despite this he certainly has his detractors, especially amongst professional players. But even if all their complaints about him were justified, and I am not suggesting for a moment that they are, the professional players represent only a tiny fraction, less than 1 per cent, of the world's competitive chess players. FIDE does not exist solely or mainly to provide this tiny minority with a living. FIDE is for every competitive chess player and therein lies one of the most obvious reasons why Karpov had virtually no chance in this election – for the vast majority of countries represented at the FIDE Congress in Khanty-Mansiysk the concerns of chess professionals are not near the top of their priority lists. Chess professionals have their own organisation – the Association of Chess Professionals – and in my view it is by attracting sponsorship of its own that the ACP can become a strong organisation, one that is able to negotiate with FIDE over the concerns of the professionals from a more equal basis. Ilymzhinov's election campaign exhibited very little anti-Karpov rhetoric. Where Karpov's campaign fell down badly was in its anti-Ilyumzhinov emphasis, which seemed to be employed as a substitute to make up for a lack of well-founded claims about the future financial viability and prosperity of a Karopv-led FIDE. Sure there were promises of all sorts of wonderful developments in the chess world, predicated on sponsorship that Karpov assured the electorate he would be bringing into the game. But where was the proof? Where were the multi-nationals confirming they would replace Ilyumzhinov's millions with their own financial support for FIDE? It simply wasn't there, and Karpov has absolutely no track record in the field of sponsorship. > http://www.akronchessclub.com/blog/... |
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Oct-01-10
 | | HeMateMe: I think it is reasonable for both candidates to expect each chess federation to sent a person to the vote, and not vote by proxy. According to the chessbase story, these and other questions were ignored by Kirsan, who had the mikes of Karpov Supporters turned off, before he and other FIDE officials walked off the stage. Sounds like Hulk Hogan and the World Wrestling Federation. |
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Oct-01-10 | | Mr. Bojangles: How long before Kirsan is accused of bringing down the world economy or plotting the crucifixion of Jesus Christ? |
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Oct-01-10 | | Petrosianic: Is that how absurd the idea of corruption in the chess world seems to you? Like one of those two things? I don't want to use the word Pollyanna here, but it's hard not to. |
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Oct-01-10 | | BobCrisp: <<Ilyumzhinov has given and continues to give huge amounts of financial support to chess, some $50 million by his own estimate since he first took office in 1995...> OK, it's not chickenfeed, but $50 million over 15 years across the entire chess world doesn't seem that huge to me. And how much of that would actually have gone into the pockets of the players? |
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