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| Sep-20-10 | | SugarDom: You have to respect the democratic process. 1 vote, 1 country is democratic. The best solution i think there is, is just to limit the term of the presidency like in a normal democracy. Say maximum 2 terms of 5 years each... |
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| Sep-20-10 | | hedgeh0g: <You have to respect the democratic process. 1 vote, 1 country is democratic.> It may be democratic, but it certainly isn't fair. |
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| Sep-20-10 | | SugarDom: Life is isn't fair...
1 GM, 1 vote is about the most stupid proposal i heard... You think it's unfair now, but if you give the big countries like Russia and China more votes, you sure going to regret it... Forget about having a voice on how things should be ran... I'd like to see a set-up where the West will have a chance to run things and invigorate Chess. The USA, Western Europe should be given a turn at the helm. The leadership should be rotated as well. Why is it always Russia running the FIDE? Campomanes and Kirsan were Russian puppets. Karpov is also a Russian. |
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| Sep-20-10 | | hedgeh0g: <I can't understand what these people see in Kirsan, other than the money stolen from the tax base of his poverty stricken government; used to finance chess tournaments and pay bribes.> Corruption allegations aside, chess is a relatively poorly-funded activity. The fact that Ilyumzhinov can always fund matches from his own pocket has to be a significant factor in any election. |
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| Sep-20-10 | | SugarDom: Don't complain. Politics and elections are all about money... For example, Kirsan gave 1 million dollars for the Campomanes memorial. Now who do you think the Philippines Federation will vote for? Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. We get the money to hold chess tournaments and promote chess in the region. Not everybody can provide funding like this... |
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| Sep-20-10 | | hedgeh0g: <1 GM, 1 vote is about the most stupid proposal i heard... You think it's unfair now, but if you give the big countries like Russia and China more votes, you sure going to regret it...> I never claimed to support a "1 GM, 1 vote" system. I do, however, support a weighted voting system; China and Russia will get more influence than other countries, but they should do, since they are more active in and have more resources devoted to chess than other countries. Ideally, this system would be constructed with a means of avoiding too much influence on the parts of larger federations, but the point is that a weighted system provides better representation. <Don't complain. Politics and elections are all about money...> I wasn't complaining. I was merely pointing out the reasoning behind voting for the incumbent despite numerous allegations of corruption on his part. I personally don't support the man, but I'm not a chess federation with funding to consider. If he can provide the funds, then it's perfectly understandable that he's garnered support. |
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Sep-20-10
 | | HeMateMe: <Not everybody can provide funding like this...> Not everyone can buy votes like this and steal an election. |
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| Sep-20-10 | | SugarDom: <hedgehog> Yes. I wasn't referring to you as complaining... If anyone wants to be leader after Kirsan he's got to be ready to commit as much personal money as this man at least... |
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| Sep-21-10 | | talisman: <SugarDom> ....Ummm...what's the phrase????...Shut up?? !!!...yes that's it. |
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Sep-21-10
| | HeMateMe: FIDE isn't about personal funding. In fact, it shouldn't be allowed, because it removes the supposed objectivity of the FIDE president. Their charter should be amended for that proviso. What if billionaire Bill Gates ran for President of the USCF, with the caveat that if elected, he would pour in tens of $milllions, but he would be allowed to favor the tournaments of some states over those of other states? Should a federation president be allowed to do this? If Bessel Kok had been elected last time around, none of this B.S. would even be discussed; it would be a non-issue. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | SugarDom: If Karpov provided 2 million dollars for our tournaments, maybe our federation would have voted for him, but we received nothing.... |
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| Sep-21-10 | | SugarDom: 1 million dollars is a long way to promote chess in the region, man. That's hard to deny... Show me the money or Shut up!!...yes that's it... |
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| Sep-21-10 | | polarmis: <SugarDom>: Ilyumzhinov apparently put $100,000 into one tournament. Sure, he said he'll do the same for the next 9 years (trying to win the votes of another 9 countries), but it's a fairly cheap pre-election bribe. Until a few months ago Ilyumzhinov hadn't put any of his own money into chess for years (see the FIDE accounts) - which is how it should be, by the way! |
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| Sep-21-10 | | hedgeh0g: Ideally, the FIDE president shouldn't be allowed to make financial contributions, but in reality this may be a necessity since sponsorship in chess is scarce. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | Maatalkko: <HeMateMe> I'm too young to remember Campomanes. There definitely needs to be some kind of reform, but it will be very difficult. Kirsan may be incompetent in some areas, but he has got to be 2700 at political infighting. He's definitely milked Kalmykia and FIDE for all they're worth. Good luck Karpov. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do to help you |
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| Sep-25-10 | | hedgeh0g: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...
It's almost as if he knows he can win the election regardless of what he says or does because he's got the money. He could dress up as a Teletubby, babble incoherently and would still probably be re-elected. |
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Sep-25-10
| | HeMateMe: If chess, and Kirsan, were more widely known, Saturday Night Live would skewer Kirsan like a hot knife through butter. Thats how big a fool he is. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | BobCrisp: If money's really the be all and end all, Karpov should have sacrificed his stamp collection to win this election. Not held a fund raiser in London that netted only a lousy £30,000. |
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Sep-25-10
| | HeMateMe: Buying votes went out with small town politics. FIDE has to behave like a professional organization, not a high school bake sale. I'll retract that. Some high school and church bake sales are more honest and professional than "Mr. Chess City." |
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| Sep-25-10 | | BobCrisp: FIDE's certainly amateurish in the vote-buying stakes compared to FIFA and the IOC. <The man on the podium vibrates with rage, his finger stabbing the night air as he harangues a political meeting. He talks a dirty message.‘No foreigner,’ he bellows, ‘particularly a white foreigner, will come to my country and harass me.’ It’s on a video clip of FIFA vice-president Jack Warner and I found it in a Caribbean archive a week ago. He’d spat out these words in Trinidad in 2006, minutes after I and my BBC film crew attempted to ask him how much profit he was making from his huge World Cup tickets rackets. Warner’s typical response was ‘Go @#$% yourself,’ then he clambered on the platform and really let rip. A local news team captured his poison and at last I had a copy. I asked a question about ethics. I got racist abuse. FIFA claims, ‘Racism has no place in football. FIFA is deploying all the means at its disposal to eliminate this form of discrimination.’ And there’s more: Racism is banned under Article 6 of FIFA’s Ethics code. Sepp Blatter, who relies on Warner’s guaranteed 35 regional votes at each FIFA congress, kindly makes an exception for his supporter.> http://transparencyinsport.org/Raci... <David Beckham will launch a football festival in Trinidad and Tobago this weekend to help boost England's chances of staging the 2018 World Cup.His visit coincides with the Under-17 Women's World Cup final, which Fifa vice-president Jack Warner will attend. Beckham made the commitment to visit Trinidad when he met Warner at the World Cup finals draw in 2009. Warner holds one of the 24 votes on the Fifa committee, which names the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosts in December.> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo... |
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| Sep-25-10 | | fab4: Has he got it? Or when do we know ? |
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| Sep-25-10 | | hedgeh0g: FIFA absolutely sickens me. The top management is more or less completely unregulated and all its voting members enjoy incredibly luxurious lifestyles courtesy of nations trying to curry favour with them. Then they act all self-righteous with a "harsh" stance against racism, usually involving delaying a match by unfurling a banner and giving Blatter his photo op with celebrities. How about a "Say No To Corruption" campaign? How about putting some of that golden handshake money into meaningful projects?events. |
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Sep-25-10
| | HeMateMe: Well, the IOC now forbids gifts and cash to any members making a 'tour' of potential sites for the Games. There is evidence that Huge gift giving cost China the 2000 Summer Games. Reps from Africa were given new SUV's, things like that. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | hedgeh0g: That's official policy, yes, but it would be naive to assume the practice has been abolished. It's difficult to prove that a lot of this goes on when so much is conducted under the table. I think the IOC is certainly more reputable than FIFA regarding these sorts of things, however. |
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| Sep-26-10 | | Everett: Does anyone know what Karpov's reactions have been to Kasparov's omgp series, the last few in particular? Thanks in advance! |
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