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| Jun-01-05 | | Benzol: <chesswonders> See Viktor Korchnoi |
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| Jun-01-05 | | woodenbishop: Karpov has said openly that he believes Fischer was NOT afraid of him, but rather afraid of himself. Respectfully, both players are among the greatest masters who ever lived, along with Kasparov, Capablanca, Morphy, Lasker, and Botvinnik... I think it is sad too many people acknowledge Fischer's retirement from chess as his downfall more than they do his chess accomplishments as being his unrepeated achievement. |
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| Jun-01-05 | | Gypsy: <Honza> I have not forgot about the promise that I would look into the various match structures from a game-theoretic angle. In fact, I have already looked at typical 'payoff matrices' and found a 'prisoner-dilemma' type of a structural effect. When I figure out how to write it up reasonably clearly and succintly, I will post it here. There is too much madness going on the Fischer pages. In short, there is a type of structural effect that favors cautious, counterpunching playing style in matches, especially in open-ended ones.
This, in turn, leads to the long series of draws as in Capa-AAA, Karpov-Korchnoi, or Karpov-Kasparov. The situation is not unlike in soccer, where solid-defense with counter-attacks eventually produced catenaccio and, in turn, reduced the scoring from the pre-WW2 typical coccer result of 4:2, to the now-days most typical result of 1:0 and 0:0. |
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| Jun-01-05 | | OneBadDog: <I think it is sad too many people acknowledge Fischer's retirement from chess as his downfall more than they do his chess accomplishments as being his unrepeated achievement.> I don't think that there's any doubt that Fischer's accopmlishments from '70-'72 were were impressive and probably unsurpassable, but that's a separate issue from his behavior afterwards. Fischer dealt a serious blow to the Chess World when he refused to defend his title. |
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| Jun-03-05 | | Wilhelm: See my point, <Kangaroo>?: I don't have to defend Karpov, the 'Soviet system' was already defending him Naturally it was their fault, not Karpov's,
Besides what suggestion would you have for Karpov? Say his word against them? oppose the 'system'? get a jail term for that? I have an advice for the other three,
Fischer: shut up, start playing your F--Random chess, get results then speak out Kasparov: stop being a fool in russian politics, get back to chess, your true vocation, defend your No.1 spot, get a rematch with Kramnik Kramnik: enough of being a lay back, get serious, start training and behave like a real WCh, give a rematch to Kasparov |
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| Jun-09-05 | | acdc: Is Karpov going to play in the Mainz Chess Classic or is he just making a guest appearance?? Can someone give me the official website for the tournament. Thanks. |
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| Jun-09-05 | | Medusa: Wilhelm
Fischer: shut up, start playing your F--Random chess, get results then speak out Kasparov: stop being a fool in russian politics, get back to chess, your true vocation, defend your No.1 spot, get a rematch with Kramnik Kramnik: enough of being a lay back, get serious, start training and behave like a real WCh, give a rematch to Kasparov I agree with you 100 percent, |
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| Jun-13-05 | | azaris: Apparently Karpov is willing to play Chess960 against Fischer, but doesn't think it's too likely to happen. I'll leave the rest to our Russian speakers to translate: http://www.kp.ru/daily/23525.4/40785/ |
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| Jun-13-05 | | acdc: what does that mean?? |
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| Jun-14-05 | | acdc: can someone transalate it for me? |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Dionyseus: I also highly doubt Fischer would choose Karpov as his opponent, I believe Karpov can beat Fishcer in either real chess or "Fischer Random Chess." A match against the Fischer Random Chess champion Peter Svidler would be disastrous. Svidler would make Fischer look like a bum. A match against Kasimdzhanov would also not be good, Kasim is too fast and young for Fischer. So who would be a great opponent for Fischer? Magnus Carlsen! Magnus is currently rated 2550, extremely popular, I can't think of a better opponent for Fischer. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | OJC: Rough translation of the article linked by azaris from the site http://freetranslation.paralink.com/: 12-th world champion Anatoly Karpov: I am ready to play with Fisher its chess < Several days ago 11-th world champion on a chess, and today, as a matter of fact, derelict Bobbi Fisher has made some sensational applications. The main thing - it has invited the « eternal enemies » Anatoly Karpova and Harry Kasparov to meet it in an internal duelConversation with Anatoly Evgenevichem Karpovym at us began from this question. - Fisher, shaking not so well-groomed beard and calling in a manner of all inherent already for a long time in it « on mother », causes you on the big fight, the truth, упира-
я on such fact: « if the big money will appear ». What would you answer it, Anatoly Evgenevich? - What problems. I am ready. Even in spite of the fact that it suggests to play so-called « Fisher's chess » is its idea to place figures for pawns with the help of a computer, at us speak: anyhow. Actually, to « Fisher's chess » it is not necessary to prepare especially. Эндшп-
ильны-
;ми positions and эндшп-
ильны-
;ми and in « Fisher's chess » can use knowledge and even with the big success. And here as to the debut theory here, certainly, all breaks. Here again - who understands main principles better and fastly and the intuition who will better be prepared for fight makes of the decision, at whom. Therefore it is not necessary to prepare especially, the main thing - to be in an excellent condition that the head worked, legs-hands moved. To play - and to win! - with Fisher it is possible. - That is, if to you the offer officially acts, you are ready to play? - Yes there are no questions!
- And you trust what such match can take place?
- I believe in it a little. It is unique, if the need again will throw Fisher in a chess. Not important - in classical or in its chess. Yes, then this match can take place. But, on the other hand, as it speaks, "gold reserves" have still remained with it from a match with Спасс-
ким when they played 1992 far already. For a life of one person, and it lives as the eremite, in general, will suffice for 50 years. And if there is no material need the match can be destroyed even if conditions of the agreement are signed also... -.. How happened in 1977 when you has been cancelled with it a match for a rank of the world champion? - Yes, we needed to agree about a real trifle: about the official name of a match for a chess crown. And to sign the agreement. Fisher insisted on the name « the World-title match among chess professionals ». But in fact it was deification of stagnation and hypocrisy in our USSR. To me simply officials would forbid to play such match. I long explained it to Fisher. But it was not going to change the name. At that time the president of International chess federation Kampomanes too tried it to persuade. Fisher even has taken the handle to put the signature... But a minute later has rejected her aside. During this moment I have understood, that to our match to not be. - That is you have understood, that at it « the roof has a little gone »... > Continued... |
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| Jun-14-05 | | OJC: < - She "has gone" earlier. Complexes in general were marked for a long time. At it the complex of fear of a starting condition always was. It always was afraid: and suddenly I not in that form, suddenly at me a head will not work. Now, I think, this problem for it in the even greater degree exists. Because it for a long time did not play. - Anatoly Evgenevich, let's talk about a modern chess. When, we admit, Carps came home with a laurel wreath, it compared to Jury Gagarinym. What occurs today? Champions like as "unfinished"... - I would tell so: the first Fisher started to disorganize strict system Bobbi checked up by time. Its "business" was picked up by Harry Kimovich Kasparov. During that moment when it has for some reason solved, and can be, objectively considered, that I already descend from a stage and that it does not have contender who would have a name. It has solved, that the chess world can be put on knees. And the main thing, Kasparov has decided to destroy system of the world championship,Which operated since post-war times which all of us created... It was still possible to correct. But, unfortunately, in 1995 in an armchair of the president Nikolaevich Ilyumzhinov sat Kirsan FIDE. Firstly Ilyumzhinov had the clear and kind purposes. But at the first collision it has understood, that Kasparov's name and Карпо-
ва in a chess is much higher and значи-
мее, than a name of the president of federation. As the person ambitious reconciles to it Кирса-
н Никол-
аевич-
; could not. And here then it has solved, that it is necessary to reduce a rank of the world champion. Kasparov, the charter from all преда-
тельс-
;тв, deceits and other, too was disappointed and has gone to a policy. - Whether the sense of carrying out of the so-called world championship which will take place in the autumn in Argentina is clear to you? Kasparov has left sports. But in fact is also Vladimir Kramnik, unique who has won Harry a match, but also it is not present among applicants... - Anybody coordinates nothing with the strongest chess players. What it for the world championship in which there is no selection? Who has won it, there is a question: and suddenly Kasparov will be disappointed in a policy and will tell: and I have old rights of the Prague agreements, I want to join. And Kramnik can show (if will not show, it nobody will understand) the claims for a throne... Same all is so thoughtless, that for any expert clearly, that it is a house of cards which can fail at any moment. - In what rescue of a chess?
- If in a chess serious Russian business will not come, and it is the unique country in which to a chess still yours faithfully concern I do not see variants as we can find the serious sponsor on the world championships. - Anatoly Evgenevich, let's return to the first question. How you will consider if we today from name «Комсо-
молки-
;» will address to the large companies with the offer to help to organize your match with Fisher? - I - am positive. I can tell at once: even if final result will fail, advertising for a chess will be big because around of it it is possible to create positive aura and again to involve people in this magnificent game. I think, that even if someone and will enclose serious means, and with Fisher it will not be possible to agree, all the same it is possible to speak about it worldwide. > |
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| Jun-14-05 | | OJC: Continued: Part 3 of 3
< BY THE WAY
- By 2000 when Clinton finished the presidency, I was in Canada and have learned that it prepares for the decree about amnesty for a small circle, we shall tell so, "political" condemned, - Anatoly Karpov speaks. - Then completely convenient occasion to normalize Fisher's attitude with America was. And I have written the letter with the request to release from the grand master of prison which has transferred the American ambassador in Canada... But, unfortunately, this course a horse has not gone right, Fisher then has not got in number of the amnestied persons. Quite probably, develop all in another way, there would be no, maybe, all this sad history in Japan. GAME RULES
What is « Fisher's chess »?
When the one-eyed fan spoke Бенде-
ру « At me all courses are written down! », it was near from true. In a modern chess actually creativity begins approximately with 20-th course. And in the beginning chess players move figures, being guided by debut bases and house preparations. That game became competition of intelligence, instead of memories, ex-world champion Bobbi Fisher has invented the chess. Pawns here cost, as well as in a classical chess, and arrangement of figures by a method of a lot is defined with a computer. Thus two conditions are observed: king should be between ладья-
ми, and elephants - to stand on cells of different color. Figures of the contender settle down in the mirror image. Vladimir KOZIN kozin@kp.ru on June, 10, 2005. > |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Wilhelm: I agree, Karpov would slaughter Fischer 6-0 in chess960.(I think I got a fixation with "6-0" lately ;) Karpov will coordinate better his pieces. The problem with fischer is that he always needed to be familiar with openings (=home preparation, same with Kasparov) in order to have a decent game afterwards, this failing he'd simply lose the thread of the game. So unless he's spent most of his time working out the first moves/plans in every typical chess960 starting position, he will be wiped out early from the board --never mind his possible blunders during the game. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | mandar: <Wilhelm> do u know that if fischer considered rated then he would be amongst top 5 and karpov is nowhere around |
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| Jun-14-05 | | acdc: <<mandar>: <Wilhelm> do u know that if fischer considered rated then he would be amongst top 5 and karpov is nowhere around> Sure he would. But the CIA would never let that happen. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Wilhelm: <<mandar>: <Wilhelm> do u know that if fischer considered rated then he would be amongst top 5 and karpov is nowhere around>.. and Kasparov, retired, will be #1 for a long long time. (Now why Karpov didn't retire at the top?? it's something I fail to understand.. he'd be #3 or maybe higher now..) |
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| Jun-15-05 | | Dionyseus: <Mandar> Karpov is easily top 3 player of all time, in my opinion he's the second best ever. And I'm not the only one who believes that, check out this article, this guy makes a strong argument that Karpov was the second best player ever: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Jun-15-05 | | Greatful Fred: Chessmetrics (mentioned in the above posting) is useless. It uses all games, tournament and matches, to build its conclusions. tourney chess and match chess are often played differently. the first K-K match in 84 dumped 30 or 40 boring draws on us. Kasparov's style in not that of a drawing master. Kramnik is a strong match player, but slightly weaker in tournament chess. There are many related exapmples. You can throw Chessmetrics out the door with yesterday's newspapers. |
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| Jun-15-05 | | MrSifter: <Kramnik is a strong match player, but slightly weaker in tournament chess>
Of course beating Kasparov without losing a game will make someone think that immediately. But I don't think Kramnik is much stronger in matches than he is in tournament chess.
Shirov beating him convincingly in 1998, and his match agaisnt Leko (remember it was drawn, no victory for Kramnik) was not convincing at all. Actually, I think it is more than likely that he loses to Topalov or Anand in a match if he played them now. |
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| Jun-15-05 | | SnoopDogg: <The problem with fischer is that he always needed to be familiar with openings (=home preparation, same with Kasparov) in order to have a decent game afterwards, this failing he'd simply lose the thread of the game.> Huh??? Number one, Fischer and Kasparov didn't need valuable home preparation to have a decent game afterwards although it is always nice to come out of the opening with an advantage. If you study the Karpov-Kasparov matches you will see that Karpov was roughly equal out of the opening in almost all of the games if not better. I think everyone is underestimating Fischer. Also take a look at a move a computer would never make that "Fischer" as Short claimed played him. [Event "ICC 3 0 u"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Guest71"]
[Black "Beber"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B20"]
[BlackElo "2827"]
[Annotator "Snoop Dogg"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[EventDate "2001.??.??"]
1. e4 c5 2. Ke2 Nc6 3. Ke3 g6 4. Nc3 Nd4 5. d3 Nf6 6. Kd2 d5 7. Ke1 Bg7 8. h3
O-O 9. a3 e5 10. Bg5 Be6 11. exd5 Bxd5 12. Nxd5 Qxd5 13. c3 Ne6 14. Be3 Rad8
15. Qa4 e4 16. dxe4 Nxe4 17. Rc1 a6 18. Be2 b5 19. Qxa6 c4 20. Rd1 Qf5 21. Nf3
Nxc3 22. bxc3 Bxc3+ 23. Nd2 Nc5 24. Bxc5?? I computer never blunders tactically and this is just what this "computer" to non believers made. Bxd2+?? The GM (don't know his name) doesn't see which wins immediately. (24... Qxc5 0 25. Kf1
Bxd2) 25. Rxd2 Rxd2 26. Kxd2 Rd8+ 27. Kc1 Qe5 28. Bxc4 Qc3+ 29. Kb1 bxc4 30.
Rc1 Qb3+ 31. Ka1 Rd2 32. Qc8+ Kg7 33. Bf8+ Kf6 34. Qc6+ Kf5 35. Qc5+ Kf6 36.
Qe7+ Kf5 37. Qxf7+ Kg5 38. Be7+ Kh6 39. Qf8+ Kh5 40. g4# 1-0 |
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| Jun-15-05 | | mandar: <Doinyseus> No. with the current rating.
Karpov is not even 2750 and Bobby is 2780! If Karpov is second alltime best player the i think Bobby n Kasparov shares the first place |
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| Jun-15-05 | | Dionyseus: <Greatful Fred> Kramnik isn't a strong match player at all. He has lost matches to Adams, Gelfand, Kamsky, and Shirov. He barely managed to tie against Leko. The only reasons he beat Kasparov was because of his Berlin Defense (Kasparov cracked it a year later) and Kasparov's personal problems. Kramnik is a much better tournament player than a match player. <Mandar> Are you kidding? I estimate Fischer's strength to be about 2500 today. That's why I suggested he play Magnus Calrsen, someone of similar strength. |
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