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Sep-03-09 | | amadeus: <HeMateMe: <akapovsky: where do you people keep coming from?>
A lot of us are from District 9.>
Hi from Woldercan. |
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Sep-03-09 | | TheFocus: Of course, after the first Karpov - Kasparov match, I would have to say that the rest of their matches were on the level. Fischer did not think so, but he was wrong. |
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Sep-03-09 | | fhl: He's most likely going to lose against Kasparov in Valencia, great that they are going to play again in a match. |
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Sep-05-09 | | TheMacMan: kasparov and karpov were like puppets for the russian regime, playing pre arranged games, so the corrupt government would win their overseas bets,karpov kasparov, these two are what fischer said they were, the lowest dogs around. |
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Sep-05-09 | | taliakarpovia: Fisher also had to know this..His 1972 chess is not the best one..maybe his 13 and 16 years games:))..Karpov actually would win the 75 match..OR maybe fisher experiment but not his chess...he was hardly clever yes but in chess that dos not make you everything of chess... |
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Sep-05-09 | | TheMacMan: bobby fischers peak rating 2895!!, the highest rating of any chessplayer, karpovs, rating in 1975, 2705, chessmetrics.com, karpovs chances of beating bobby were about 0.01% which is basically meaning impossible, and even til today fischer still holds the highest ever performance rating of 3195. Karpov "in 1975 no one can beat fischer" |
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Sep-06-09 | | whiskeyrebel: Fischer's peak rating wasn't 2895. It states in his bio on his own page here at this website that it was 2785. |
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Sep-06-09 | | capatal: <On Karpov vs Fischer> A great rivalry was between Karpov and Spassky. Back in 1974 both met in a semifinal candidate match. It was a battle of ex champion vs. future world champion. With Bobby Fischer watching intently for his challenger. A match removed from his title, Spassky would try to fight his way past the hard charging Anatoly Karpov. Spassky would win the first game from the black side of the board. But Karpov would not be deterred and dominated the rest of the way by winning 4 games. Karpov's easy domination of Spassky might have encouraged Bobby Fischer to modify the competitive rules vs Karpov - for the Chess World Championship. Life score: Karpov 16, Spassky 3, with 25 draws. |
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Sep-06-09 | | Capabal: <TheMacMan: bobby fischers peak rating 2895!!, the highest rating of any chessplayer, karpovs, rating in 1975, 2705, chessmetrics.com, karpovs chances of beating bobby were about 0.01% which is basically meaning impossible, and even til today fischer still holds the highest ever performance rating of 3195.> ---
<alexmagnus: You [TheMacMan] make a good propagandist, mixing two rating systems trhe way it suits you. Fischer's 2895 was a peak chessmetrics rating in October 1971 (his CM rating after the Spassky match was 2880), while Karpov's 2705 was a non-peak FIDE rating in 1975, things impossible to compare. For reference, Fischer's FIDE rating was "only" 2780, while Karpov's Chessmetrics rating in 1975 was around 2800 (between 2799 in December and 2807 in September). So the match Fischer-Karpov was either 2780 vs. 2705 (FIDE) or 2880 vs. 2800 (Chessmetrics) but no way 2895 vs 2705. A 75-80-point difference. Just for the reference, the biggest rating difference in a WC match which ended with the win of the lower rated player was 77 points (Kramnik-Kasparov). As for performance rating: the 3100+ you mentioned belongs probably to the FIDE TPR in the US Championship which he won with 11/11. Your beloved chessmetrics cites his highest TPR at 2887 (in the Match vs Larsen). So before you make propaganda, chose <one> rating systrem to operate with and don't mix two systems.> ---
<Capabal: I have no problem acknowledging that Fischer in 75 was probably still a bit better than Karpov -- in spite of the fact that he hadn’t played in 3 years. But again, the fact that he hadn’t played at all since he beat Spassky is important. In the first place it removes all possibility of evaluating how his play was in 75, and it is also reasonable to suppose that lack of real play for so long does not make you play better. It is also a matter of general agreement that Spassky played better in the Candidates match against Karpov than he had played in 72 against Fischer. And yet Spassky was soundly defeated by Karpov. As somebody mentioned, Fischer may not have been playing, but he was surely watching. There is no doubt he went through Karpov’s games in detail. In any case, the notion that Karpov had a 0.1% chance is totally ridiculous and representative of a particularly delusional mindframe that imbues Fischer with quasi-divine powers. Karpov himself had assessed his chances at about 30-40 percent, and that’s probably how it was. Speaking of chessmetrics, you may find in its pages the following reference to the player who you say had a 0.1% chance:
Best Individual Event Performance between 1840 and 2005:
The best individual event performance between 1840 and 2005 was achieved by Anatoly Karpov with a <Chessmetrics Performance Rating of 2899> in Linares, 1994. That was 20 years later, well after his peak one should assume, by the player who according to you had no chance at all against Fischer in 75.
Look, I do like Fischer pretty well, and he was obviously one of the very best players of all time. But some of the stuff his devotees come up with to justify his refusal to play chess and to assess his chances against Karpov is just plain nuts. The fact is that, for whatever reason, the guy stopped playing chess in 72. And the fact is that because of that, it is next to impossible to assess how he would have matched up to the man who was clearly the next best player at that time. Pulling numbers like 0.1% out of a hat does not help.> |
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Sep-12-09 | | The Rocket: regarding Karpov linaries 1994 win........
"This performance against the best players in the world put his Elo rating tournament performance at 2985, the highest performance rating of any player in history." and then read this ......
"On June 1971, Bobby Fischer defeated Mark Taimanov with 6 wins, no draws, no losses in the Candidates quarterfinals in Vancouver, Canada. On July he defeated Bent Larsen also with a perfect 6-0 score in the Candidates semi-final in Denver, Colorado. His performance rating was 3060." http://www.chess-poster.com/great_p... Its simple calculation! finding out performance ratings yet one of these sites is wrong!. |
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Sep-12-09 | | The Rocket: Karpov claimed that his performance rating in linaries 1994 was around 3000 elo. |
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Sep-12-09 | | The Rocket: In any case fischers performance rating is FAR more of value when you concider that 2 of karpovs wins in linaries were big blunders.... bareev blundered a full rook!(when he was slightly better), and ivanchuk also blundered BADLY resigning instantly.... so 2985 or 3000 performance rating for karpov is not a fair indication of his playin streight in the tournament. none of fischers wins were with larsen or taimanov blundering a piece or close to it any game.. therefore his performance is much more impressive. |
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Sep-17-09 | | Paraconti: A match esp for the world title is all about preparation, stamina and most of all steadiness. Fischer would've crushed the lazy, frail and eaily psyched-out Karpov in 75. No question about it. Korchnoi almost did it earlier, and Korchnoi was hardly in Fischer's class in the early 70s. |
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Sep-17-09 | | percyblakeney: It really sounds as if they will be playing quite a bit: <The initial plan is to play for about six months in all countries where we once had world championship matches. That is, Spain, Russia, Great Britain, France and the United States> http://interviews.chessdom.com/anat... |
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Sep-17-09 | | pawn to QB4: <none of fischers wins were with larsen or taimanov blundering a piece or close to it any game..> absolute nonsense. Just for starters, Taimanov threw away a rook in game 5 with a goof that defies belief from a grandmaster. Fischer's was an amazing performance, but I'm surprised to see it used to disparage Karpov. |
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Sep-18-09 | | jerseybob: To TheFocus on the 1984 K-K Match: the only coward in that match was Karpov. He was admnistering Kasparov a major licking, but needing only one more win to clinch the match suddenly went into a prevent defense, abandoning e4. Those games weren't all draws; Kasparov won twice in the late stages to pull within 3-5. To MacMan, I'll agree with half of your 9-5 post; Karpov was - and is - a Russian puppet, but Kasparov, no way. |
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Sep-18-09 | | AnalyzeThis: I don't think Karpov was a coward, as much as he was arrogant. When you're up 5-0, you can pretty much go all out, playing for just that one more win, every game. With such an approach, you might lose a game or two, but with such a big lead, you're going to get the 6th win in due course, long before Kasparov could have tied the match. 6 wins, you go home, you're still the champ.
But arrogance said: no, I want 6-0, even if we have to play countless draws first. That was a huge mistake, because he ran out of stamina. |
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Sep-19-09 | | cbpatzer: Karpov Kasparov match may be in the base of Linares played on two continents again http://reports.chessdom.com/news-20... |
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Sep-19-09 | | A Karpov Fan: Heard the one about the Champion too arrogant to defend the title...? |
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Sep-19-09 | | SetNoEscapeOn: I don't think it had anything to do with arrogance, just a cold blooded desire for glory and to crush the spirit of a potentially dangerous young challenger. It was a mistake, but only because he was playing Kasparov. |
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Sep-19-09 | | A Karpov Fan: It also had a lot to do with the fact that Kasparov probably gained about 100 Elo of strength between the beginning and end of the match -lol- |
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Sep-19-09 | | positionalgenius: <therocket> And Taimanov wasn't that strong of a GM. Karpov in linares-1994 was facing the top players of the day including kasparov. |
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Sep-19-09 | | jerseybob: Karpov Fan makes a good point: as that 1984 match wore on, Kasparov became "KASPAROV". |
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Sep-20-09 | | The Rocket: "And Taimanov wasn't that strong of a GM. Karpov in linares-1994 was facing the top players of the day including kasparov" the point is that 2 of karpovs wins are gifted points. and none of fischers wins were gifted to him--. thereby his performance to win all 12 games is superior to that of karpovs in linaries. |
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Sep-20-09 | | Gryz: Fisher's performance in the candidates was impressive. But you can't derive numbers from that. 1) It was only against 2 people. If you play your "angstgegner", you will do worse. The score is heavily influenced by personal details and preferences. 2) It was a knockout tournament. If you play for the worldchampionship, you play for all or nothing. You don't play for elo-rating. And you don't play to minize losses. You take extra risks, which you would not have done in a tournament. Therefor the 2x 6-0 results are overvalued. Fisher and Karpov were both exceptional players. They never played each other at the peak of their performances. So you can't say one is better than the other. People like Fisher because he was American, because he was a loner, and because he fought against the whole soviet chess army. But Karpov dominated chess for 10 years, until Kasparov came along. You can't deny that Karpov showed us some excellent chess. He deserves a little respect. |
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