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| Nov-16-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: Informator has always had pages at the back devoted to tournament results and news from FIDE. Caracas took place in June to July 1970, when Karpov btw was only an IM following the 1969 World Jr. He was awarded the GM title by the FIDE congress in the fall at the Siegen Olympiad. Tolya's rating on 1 Jan 1971 as printed in Informator 11 was 2540. As comparisons Botvinnik 2630, Bronstein 2590, Keres 2600, Korchnoi 2660, Petrosian 2640, Savon 2570, Smyslov 2620, Spassky 2690, Stein 2620, Tal 2620. Fischer was 2740! |
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Nov-16-12
 | | Dionysius1: Does anyone have a source for the last sentence in the biog? It seems suspiciously vague and a google search doesn't bring up anything. |
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| Nov-16-12 | | Alien Math: <Dionysius1> <His reported sole stake in the Pirmir gas company holds natural gas reserves worth more than $2 billion rubles.> More common appear as Petromir also Петромир, http://www.nysun.com/arts/what-mone... Notes in English http://kommersant.ru/doc/741884 Notes in Russian |
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Nov-17-12
| | Dionysius1: Thank you <Alien Math> |
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| Nov-17-12 | | brankat: <WyattGwyon> <So how is it that Karpov and Fischer never met in tournament play in the late 60s?> In 1969 Fischer didn't play at all. In 1968 Karpov was 17 years old, and held a title of a Master. Fischer did a chance to meet Karpov 7 years later though. |
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| Nov-30-12 | | drnooo: essentially Everett and I are, seem to be anyway, about on the same side as regards Fischer. Mainly that he was a whining baby. And admittedly this is pure speculation, but if a match, a long one between them HAD stretched out to the ungodly lengths of the first two K's,
Fischer would have had the edge just from a physical stamina point. However, Everett makes a good point, that no telling what ole Bob would have started manufacturing in his head, hell he could have come up ANYthing, as he often did.
One thing for sure he was not blind: he had to see how Karpov had virtually eviscerated Spassky, it had to give him the shudders. That more than anything is how come, my guess, that he said, you know this probably is about right to create my last big hissy fit and bawl my way out of this mess. |
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| Dec-23-12 | | Conrad93: Considering how Karpov crushed Korchnoi, it's a safe bet Fischer would have bee squished in World Championship match. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | drik: <Conrad93: Considering how Karpov crushed Korchnoi,> ... the +3 -2 =19 crush or the +6 -5 =21 crush? Or perhaps you are thinking of Merano - all of 6 years after Fischer's tenure. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Conrad93: Drik, I think it's clear what I mean. Records don't lie. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Jim Bartle: The point, Conrad, is that Karpov did not <crush> Korchnoi in 74 and 78; the matches were very close. Karpov did win by a large margin in 81. That's the record. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Conrad93: At 78 and 74 Karpov was not yet at his prime. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Jim Bartle: But you were saying, based on his record vs. Korchnoi, Karpov would have "squished" Fischer in a WC match, which would have taken place in 1975. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | rannewman: Conrad, you are trying to say the korchnoi did was at his prime at the age of 50, when karpov actually managed to "squish" him? |
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Dec-24-12
 | | alexmagnus: Well, <all> rating systems put Korchnoi's prime quite close to it (in 1978-1980, to be exact). No matter how absurd it seems for him to have had a peak at 50, it looks like he actually did. Also, he <did> win the Candidates, so if you say he way so much out of prime one must assume he rapidly declined within the few months between the Candidates and the match. |
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| Dec-24-12 | | rannewman: You are forgetting that the USSR held korchnoi down for a very long time. Once he left, he floursihed.
Also, if you look at his first match, his results where mostly due to mistakes/blunders in the late middle game - due to fatgiue, which is clear indication of age. He actually achieved better postions in most openings (even when facing the famous 11.Ng5!?), and outplayed karpov in most endings (after a good night sleep). |
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| Dec-24-12 | | drik: <Conrad93: Drik, I think it's clear what I mean.> So clear, that you did not feel any need to make a clear statement? Easy to defend, when you refuse to place your king on the board! <Records don't lie.> That is why I gave detailed records. Fischer v Karpov would have been in 1975 (& perhaps again in 1978). Karpov's record against Korchnoi in 1974 (aged 23) & in 1978 (aged 27 & pretty close to prime) was pretty far from a CRUSH. Most would describe these victories as scraping past - with suspect reserves of stamina virtually exhausted. To be fair the 1981 match was a crush - as you might expect for a 30 year old against a 50 year old. But we are not discussing whether Fischer's 3rd title defence against Karpov would have been successful. |
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| Dec-26-12 | | leka: Dear drik.Anatoly Karpov has the most total wins in the super gran master level in the history of chess.Anatoly Karpov at age 43 years old scored in Linares chess tournament 85% score.The chess metrics thinks that is the highest elo rating score ever 2899 elo points for Karpov.The chess era from 1962 to 1972 was the weakest in chess history.Bobby Fischer was a genius!!! but he faced the blunder makers like Gligoric Larsen Hort Portisch Benkö D.Byrne Taimanov and so on.Todays the computers solved all Fischer famous moves under secon thinking time.Against Larsen rook e5! Gligoric rook f6! D.Byrne bishop e6! Benkö rook f6! the only move the computer thinks a little bit is Fischer knight e5! against Minic |
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| Dec-26-12 | | leka: The chess metrics got wrong when they calculeted Karpov score in Linares 1994.I believe Karpov the real score was 3016 elo points.Alekhine scored 93%in San Remo in 1930 that might be the real highest elo rating score in the history.Fischer got an elo rating in blitz in 1970 2991 elo points.Magnus Carlsen scored the same 2991 in London 2012 |
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Dec-26-12
| | alexmagnus: <as you might expect for a 30 year old against a 50 year old.> When Botvinnik beat Tal in their rematch, he was 49. Tal 24... Age is not everything :) |
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| Dec-26-12 | | achieve: That was a different time! ;)
Karpov was 43 when he had that record Linares 1994 - but now people discussing Anand's "dry spell" to be mainly the consequence of his advancing age, and Anand is just 43...same age as Karpov in Linares... |
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Dec-26-12
| | alexmagnus: Karpov had some "problems" shortly before Linares - in 1991-1992, when he for the first time since getting into the top-2 fell out of the top-2 (after losing that Candidate match to Short and also showing no great success in tournaments). Then, in 1993-1994 he miraculously "came back to life", scored that Linares record, defended his FIDE title - and about 1999 started to rapidly decline, the breaking point being probably the unplayed FIDE WC 1999. |
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| Dec-26-12 | | achieve: True, <alexmagnus>, and Nigel Short, who is actually <only> some 4 years older than Anand, has on many occasion admitted his stamina and playing level dropped with age, considerably, do you happen to know when his decline set in? I'll look it up as well.
But Karpov was still part of the top echelon at Nigel's current age. Then indeed the rather rapid decline. |
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| Dec-26-12 | | Nerwal: His win at Lausanne 1998 notwithstanding, Karpov's results started to decline after the match with Kamsky in 1996. He finished last at Las Palmas this year and had a bad set of disappointing tournaments results after this. But for all players it's hard to say whether it's the direct effect of age or rather psychological factors, like not being as hungry as before and having other priorities/activities than just otb play... |
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| Dec-26-12 | | nok: <in 1993-1994 he miraculously "came back to life"> Simply motivated again because he got the title back. And of course Kasparov said the upcoming Linares would show who the real WC was, so he came a bit less lazy than usual. |
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| Dec-26-12 | | leka: Emanuel Lasker was the winner in ST.Petersbourg tournament at age 46 years old.Lasker was ahead the chess machine Capablanca.Also in 1924 New York tornament Lasker at age 56 was ahead the unbeatable Capablanca.In Moscow 1925 the winner was E.Bogoljubov Lasker was the second once again the old Lasker was ahead an unbeatable Capablanca.Lasker was 57 years in 1925.Capablanca did great results in 1936 he won in Nottigham and Moscow?? i believe at age 48 years old |
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