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| Oct-28-07 | | parisattack: <danielpi:> Excellent analysis, showing a deep understanding of the issues and the game, IMHO. I'm not sure I would rate Karpov that high but he remains one of the most underrated of WCs, certainly; his annotations are among my favorites. I thought his play similar to Botvinnik but whereas Botvinnik drove his advantage with specific positional motifs Karpov tended to use space. |
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| Oct-28-07 | | Brown: I don't want to get into a debate over who's best. It's nice to mull it over, if Fischer doesn't retire, if Karpov enjoyed working at chess and did more exercise, if Bronstein wasn't such an "artist," If Smyslov prepared better for the '58 match, etc. They're all great. More interesting is how Karpov made Kasparov nearly unbeatable throughout the 90's, the "48 free lessons" of the 84-85 match, and how Kasparov in turn created the most dominant 1-2 position in chess history, by lighting a fire under Karpov's chess game. From 1984-1995 or so, 12 years, the top two players didn't change. I feel bad for all the other great talents during that time, for they had to overcome the mixture of talent and ability unmatched ever before or since in Karpov and Kasparov. And their styles... to adjust to one is like dooming yourself against the other. Perhaps that is why the talents of Kramnik and Anand are as good as they are now. They've really learned from the greatest ever. |
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| Oct-29-07 | | KingG: <danielpi> <Keep in mind, Karpov managed that 19-21-104 score, whilst consistently having worse opening prep.> That's mostly true but, according to Kasparov, Karpov was better prepared than he was in their last match. Kasparov puts this down to a mixture of Karpov putting some real work into this area for the first time, and the fact that Kasparov's training for the match was interupted by the problems that occured in Baku around that time. |
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| Oct-29-07 | | danielpi: <KingG> Interesting... thanks. |
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 | | Troller: <He played very well at Linares 1994 however he also extremly lucky he won a number of games in dead drawn positions when the oponents blundered. proof that it was a "one time wonder" is that he never performed anywhere near that level at super tourneys.> In Linares 1994 Karpov drew 4 games and won 9. In 3 out of his four draws he was a pawn up and pressed for the win. The only game in which he never had a clear advantage was against Anand. True, Bareev blundered, and Ivanchuk played badly, but remember: Karpov was pressing in every single game but one. That's hardly being lucky. |
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| Oct-29-07 | | slomarko: Ivanchuk actually blundered an exchange and so did Polgar. Beliavsky blundered a piece on move 17 or 18. Bareev blundered a rook and Lautier too blundered in a dead equal position (Rb3?? instead of Rb2 or Bd2). i dont remember anybody getting 5 such gifts in a super tourney. |
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Oct-29-07
| | Troller: Heh, <slomarko>, you are the most renowned troll on the forum. I am not going into another futile argument. Go beat up some 2700-players on FICS instead :) |
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| Oct-30-07 | | s4life: <slomarko: okay but then who did Karpov really beat? twice Korchnoi (74 & 78) both times with a meager +1> Kasparov's classical record against Karpov is +2 in over 180 games and all their matches were very close till the end too. You can have your own opinions, but Karpov was top2 player for ~25 years... none has even gotten close to that. It's not an overstatement to say he's the (second) best player ever. |
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| Oct-30-07 | | notyetagm: <Troller: Heh, <slomarko>, you are the most renowned troll on the forum.> Chessgames.com should give out a <MVT> award: Most Valuable Troll.
:-)
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| Nov-12-07 | | M.D. Wilson: "slomarko: okay but then who did Karpov really beat? twice Korchnoi (74 & 78) both times with a meager +1" With that statement, slomarko, you show a complete lack of respect for Korchnoi's chess strength and tenacity. And as for Karpov, why do you hate him so much anyway? Don't his stirling achievements speak for themselves? |
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Nov-12-07
| | Troller: <M.D. Wilson> Check slomarko's profile by clicking on his name. He actually has Karpov as the second greatest player in history; so I guess he's just looking for an argument. |
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| Nov-12-07 | | Poulsen: A "greatest ever" discussion tend to end without any conclusion - and since great players has been involved in more than 150 years of serious competion on the highest level over the board we end up comparing players, who cannot be compared. Was Karpov better than Capablanca - in the long run? We will never know. A good a shot as any is Chessmetrics' statistics - and according to the "Peak Average Ratings: 15 years peak range" the top 10-list look like this: 1. Kasparov
2. Karpov
3. Lasker
4. Capablanca
5. Aljechin
6. Botvinnik
7. Fischer
8. Anand
9. Korchnoi
10. Ivanchuk
Kramnik is number 12 - on all the lists Anand tops Kramnik. Topalov is number 60, since his results since 2004 is not included in the statistics). Of course a 15 year list favors players with a very long career at the highest level. On the one year list fx. Fischer is number 1 - and Karpov is number 7. Korchnoi is 13 and Ivanchuk is 15 - both still amazing for non-WCh's. |
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| Nov-12-07 | | Poulsen: Another interesting point, which can derived from Jeff Sonas' statistics: Looking at the the 3 year peak range (i.e. the best 3 years in a players career) it's worth noticing, that both Kasparov and Karpov had their best period, when they were competing each other in the late 1980'es! Botvinnik peaked by winning USSR-championsships just BEFORE he became WCh! Aljechin peaked in 1930 - 1932 - by winning San Remo 1930 and Bled 1931 and doing well at the olympics. Morphy peaks in 1857 - 1859 - but does not make the top 50 list - not even the top 75 list! At the time of his "reign" the quality of the competition was very low. |
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| Nov-20-07 | | rusich: Karpov stands as one of the greatest chess players in history. |
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| Nov-21-07 | | KamikazeAttack: Every time I see current pictures of this man, my respect for his achievements increases. I am in awe of his achivements.
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| Nov-22-07 | | Brown: Why would a picture increase the nature of his achievements? |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Petrosianic: <Troller>: <Check slomarko's profile by clicking on his name. He actually has Karpov as the second greatest player in history; so I guess he's just looking for an argument.> The mark of a true artiste. To be able to put personal feelings aside that way. "So what if I agree with you? That doesn't mean we can't argue." The other day he suckered a guy into taking his side over mine, on the grounds that I posted too much. The joke being that he's got 5 times more posts than I do, and just counted on his pigeon not bothering to check. He's a gamblin' man, too. |
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| Nov-24-07 | | angslo: <<Troller>: <Check slomarko's profile by clicking on his name. He actually has Karpov as the second greatest player in history.> hehehe.
and Kramnik is 10th all time greatest above Topalov in his list. hehehe |
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| Nov-24-07 | | RookFile: Whether you like Karpov or not, there is no question he was one of the best. |
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| Nov-24-07 | | KingG: Isn't Karpov playing in the World Cup? I thought i read that he would be playing. |
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| Nov-25-07 | | M.D. Wilson: Not sure if he's playing now. He had his name down last time I heard. |
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| Nov-29-07 | | Karpova: <Karpov Barred From Seeing Kasparov Former world chess champion Anatoly Karpov was turned away when he tried to visit and offer moral support to his old rival, Garry Kasparov, currently in detention for his role in an anti-Kremlin protest Saturday. Karpov tried to visit Kasparov on Tuesday, but he was turned back by police, said Kasparov's spokeswoman, Marina Litvinovich. "Karpov is a member of the Public Chamber and has the right to visit those detained," Litvinovich said. "All the same, they would not let him in. "A person is in trouble. Of course I'm not indifferent to that," Karpov told Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. "In Russia right now we have, what, four world chess champions? And, of course, the fate of any one of them is important to other chess players, both in Russia and abroad. Generally speaking, I don't share his political views, but that's something different," he said. "I didn't come here to support him politically."> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Dec-02-07 | | MikeB20: God bless you Anatoly, for this wonderful gesture; and God bless Garry. |
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| Dec-04-07 | | rusich: (danielpi)
I agree with you that Karpov is one of the greatest players |
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| Dec-09-07 | | jamesmaskell: Karpov didnt play in the World Cup. He didnt qualify through the European Individual tournament and its likely, though I dont have the figures on me, that his average rating has fallen due to dudgy results in the past year and wouldnt have qualified through that avenue. He wasnt one of the group of invited players (Rublevsky did qualify through that route). |
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