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Garry Kasparov
Kasparov 
Photograph courtesy of kasparovagent.com.  

Number of games in database: 2,472
Years covered: 1973 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2812 (2783 rapid, 2712 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2851
Overall record: +690 -107 =707 (69.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 968 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (192) 
    B30 B31 B50 B40 B33
 Ruy Lopez (104) 
    C92 C84 C97 C67 C80
 Queen's Gambit Declined (91) 
    D37 D35 D31 D30 D38
 Nimzo Indian (91) 
    E32 E34 E21 E20 E46
 Queen's Indian (78) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16
 Slav (61) 
    D10 D18 D15 D11 D17
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (350) 
    B90 B84 B80 B93 B83
 King's Indian (159) 
    E92 E97 E80 E60 E75
 Sicilian Najdorf (113) 
    B90 B93 B96 B92 B97
 Grunfeld (104) 
    D85 D97 D76 D78 D87
 Sicilian Scheveningen (78) 
    B84 B80 B83 B81 B82
 English (36) 
    A15 A10 A13 A11
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 0-1
   Kasparov vs Portisch, 1983 1-0
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 0-1
   Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match 1984/85 (1984)
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990)
   Kasparov - Short PCA World Championship Match (1993)
   Kasparov - Anand PCA World Championship Match (1995)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   USSR Junior Championship (1977)
   Sokolsky Memorial (1978)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1981)
   World Junior Championship (1980)
   Baku (1980)
   Banja Luka (1979)
   Niksic (1983)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1989)
   Belfort World Cup (1988)
   Belgrade Investbank (1989)
   Hoogovens Group A (1999)
   Intel World Chess Express Challenge (1994)
   Linares (1999)
   USSR Championship (1981)
   Valletta Olympiad (1980)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov The Killer!! by wvb933
   Kasparov The Killer!! by Zhbugnoimt
   Kasparov The Killer!! by chezstartz
   Kasparov The Killer!! by rpn4
   GK Collection on the move to Fredthebear's den by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 66 by 0ZeR0
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 166 by 0ZeR0
   Power Chess - Kasparov by Anatoly21
   Selected Games of Kasparov’s Chess Career by Cosmo Fan
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by BabyLiner007
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by Sergio X Garcia
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by rpn4
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by alip
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by feifo

GAMES ANNOTATED BY KASPAROV: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
   Kasparov vs I Ivanov, 1978

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Champions Showdown 9LX
   Kasparov vs Aronian (Oct-31-24) 0-1, unorthodox
   Caruana vs Kasparov (Oct-31-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Sevian (Oct-30-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   G Oparin vs Kasparov (Oct-29-24) 1/2-1/2, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Shankland (Oct-29-24) 1-0, unorthodox

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GARRY KASPAROV
(born Apr-13-1963, 62 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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One of the greatest players of all time, Kasparov was undisputed World Champion from 1985 until 1993, and Classical World Champion from 1993 until 2000. Known to chess fans world wide as the <Beast From Baku> on account of his aggressive and highly successful style of play, his main early influence was the combative and combinative style of play displayed by Alexander Alekhine.

Early Years

Originally named Garry Kimovich Weinstein (or Weinshtein), he was born in Baku, in what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (now the Republic of Azerbaijan), and is the son of Klara Shagenovna Kasparova and Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein. At five years old, young Garry Weinstein taught himself how to play chess from watching his relatives solve chess puzzles in a newspaper. His immense natural talent was soon realized and from age 7, he attended the Young Pioneer Palace in Baku (where for some time he was known as "Garry Bronstein".*). At 10, he began training at the Mikhail Botvinnik Soviet chess school. He was first coached by Vladimir Makogonov and later by Alexander Shakarov. Five years after his father's untimely death from leukemia, the twelve year old chess prodigy adopted the Russian-sounding name Garry Kasparov (Kas-PARE-off) a reference to his mother's Armenian maiden name, Gasparyan (or Kasparian).

Championships

Junior Twelve-year old Kasparov won the Soviet Junior Championship, held in Tbilisi in 1976 scoring 7/9, and repeated his success in 1977, winning with a score of 8½ of 9. The next several years were spent marking his rise as a world-class talent. He became World Junior Champion in 1980 in Dortmund, the same year he earned the grandmaster title.

National He first qualified for the Soviet Chess Championship at age 15 in 1978, the youngest ever player at that level. He won the 64-player Swiss system tournament at Daugavpils on tiebreak over Igor Ivanov, to capture the sole qualifying place. He was joint Soviet Champion in 1980-81 with Lev Psakhis ** and in 1988 Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov tied in the Super-Soviet Championship***. In 2004, Garry Kasparov won the Russian Championship Superfinal (2004) with a stunning +5 score.

World On the basis of his result in the 1981 Soviet Championship, which doubled as a zonal tournament for the USSR region, he earned a place in the 1982 Moscow Interzonal tournament, which he won, to qualify for the Candidates Tournament matches that were held in 1983 and 1984. At age 19, he was the youngest Candidate since Robert James Fischer, who was 15 when he qualified in 1958. At this stage, he was already the #2-rated player in the world, trailing only world champion Karpov on the January 1983 list. These Candidates matches were the first and last Candidates matches Kasparov contested, as he declined to participate in the Candidates held under the auspices of the PCA in 2002 to decide a challenger to his successor as classical World Champion, Vladimir Kramnik. Kasparov's first Candidates match in Moscow was a best-of-ten affair against Alexander G Beliavsky, whom he defeated 6–3 (+4 -1 =4). After much political ado, Kasparov defeated Viktor Korchnoi in London in the best-of-12 semi-final match by 7–4 (+4 -1 =6), and in early 1984 in Vilnius he defeated former World Champion Vasily Smyslov in the best-of-16 finals played by 8.5-4.5 (+4 =9 -0) to earn his challenge against Karpov. By the time the match with Smyslov was played, Kasparov had become the number-one ranked player in the world with a FIDE rating of 2710. He became the youngest ever world number-one, a record that lasted 12 years until being broken by Vladimir Kramnik in January 1996 and again by his former pupil, Magnus Carlsen in 2010.

At one stage during the Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Kasparov trailed 5-0 in the first-to-win-6 match. He then fought back to win three games and bring the score to 5–3 in Karpov's favour after 48 games, making it the longest world championship match ever. At that point, the match was ended without result by the then FIDE President, the late Florencio Campomanes, with Karpov thus retaining the title. Further details can be found in the match link at the head of this paragraph. Kasparov won the best-of-24 games Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985) in Moscow by 13–11, winning the 24th and last game with Black. He was then 22, the youngest ever World Champion, and broke the record held by Mikhail Tal for over 20 years. Karpov exercised his right to a rematch, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986), which took place in 1986, hosted jointly in London and Leningrad, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won 12½–11½, retaining the title. The fourth match, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987) was held in Seville. Karpov had been directly seeded into and won the final match of the Candidates' Matches to again become the official challenger. Kasparov retained his title by winning the final game and drawing the match 12–12. The fifth and last championship match between the two, Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), was held in New York and Lyon in 1990, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won by 12½–11½. In their five world championship matches, the combined game tally was +21 -19 =104 in Kasparov's favour.

Kasparov subsequently defended his title against Nigel Short under the auspices of the PCA in 1993, and against Viswanathan Anand in 1995. Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik, who was granted the right to challenge without having to qualify, the first time this had happened since 1935, when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger. Subsequently, Kasparov remained the top rated player in the world, ahead of both Kramnik and the FIDE World Champions, on the strength of a series of wins in major tournaments.

Under the "Prague Agreement" which was put together by Yasser Seirawan to reunite the two titles, Kasparov was to play a match against the 2002 FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov in September 2003. But this match was cancelled when Ponomariov was dissatisfied with the terms of the contract. Subsequent plans for a match against 2004 FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov, to be held in January 2005 in the United Arab Emirates, fell through due to lack of funding. Shortly after this, Kasparov announced his retirement from competitive chess.

In an interview in 2007, Kasparov said that <…my decision in 1993 to break away from the world chess federation, FIDE, with Nigel Short was the worst mistake of my career. It was a serious miscalculation on my part. I thought we could start fresh with a professional organisation, but there was little support among the players. It led to short-term progress in commercial sponsorship for chess, but in the long run hurt the game...> ****

Classical Tournaments

In 1978, Kasparov won the Sokolsky Memorial tournament in Minsk as a wild card entry, a victory which convinced Kasparov he could aim for the World Championship. He played in a grandmaster tournament in Banja Luka, Yugoslavia in 1979 while still unrated, due to Korchnoi's withdrawal. He took first place with an undefeated record, two points ahead of the field. Game Collection: Banja Luka 1979 He emerged with a provisional rating of 2595, immediately landing at world number 15, a feat only surpassed by Gata Kamsky in July 1990. His first win in a superclass-level international tournament was scored at Bugojno, Yugoslavia in 1982, and his win in Linares in 2002 was the tenth victory in a row, a record for the most consecutive victories in super tournaments: Linares 4 (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Wijk aan Zee 3 (1999, 2000, 2001), Sarajevo 2 (1999, 2000) and Astana 1 (2001). Kasparov also holds the record for most consecutive professional tournament victories, placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990. It started with the 1981 USSR Championship and finished in Linares in 1990. His five epic title matches against Karpov were held during this period. Subsequently, Kasparov won Linares again in 1992, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2005, the latter being his swan song from the game.

Olympiads

Kasparov played in eight Olympiads. He represented the Soviet Union four times, in 1980, 1982, 1986 and 1988, and Russia four times: in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2002 playing board 1 on each occasion apart from 1980 (2nd reserve) and 1982 (2nd board). In 82 games, he scored (+50 =29 -3), for 78.7% and won a total of 19 medals, including 8 team gold medals, 5 board golds, 2 performance golds, 2 performance silvers and 2 board bronzes. Kasparov also represented the USSR once in Youth Olympiad competition at Graz in 1981, when he played board 1 for the USSR board 1, scoring 9/10 (+8 =2 -0), the team winning the gold medal.

Team chess

Kasparov made his international teams debut for the USSR at age 16 in the 1980 European Team Championship at Skara and played for Russia in the 1992 edition of that championship. He won a total of five medals including at Skara 1980, as USSR 2nd reserve, 5½/6 (+5 =1 -0), team gold, board gold and at Debrecen 1992, Russia board 1, 6/8 (+4 =4 -0), team gold, board gold, performance silver.

Matches

<Computer> Kasparov defeated the chess computer Deep Thought (Computer) in both games of a two-game match in 1989. In February 1996, he defeated IBM's chess computer Deep Blue (Computer) with three wins and two draws and one loss. In 1997, an updated version of Deep Blue defeated Kasparov 3½–2½ in a highly publicised six-game match. The match was even after five games but Kasparov lost Game 6 - Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - to lose the match. This was the first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion in match play. In January 2003, he played and drew a six game FIDE Man - Machine WC (2003) match against Deep Junior (Computer). In November 2003, he played and drew a four-game Man - Machine World Chess Championship (2003) against the computer program X3D Fritz (Computer) X3D Fritz, although he was constrained through the use of a virtual board, 3D glasses and a speech recognition system.

<Human – classical> Kasparov played several matches apart from his matches in the World Championship cycles. Full details can be seen at Game Collection: Match Kasparov!.

<Human – rapid> In 1998, Kasparov played a blitz match against Kramnik in Moscow, that match being drawn +7-7=10. He fared better in the 2000 internet blitz match against Judit Polgar, winning one and drawing one. The following year, he played a blitz match against the many times Greek speed chess champion Hristos Banikas of Greece, winning 5 and drawing one. In his 2002 blitz against Elisabeth Paehtz in Munich, he won 6-0. Later in 2002, Kasparov lost a four game rapid match (+1 -2 =1) over two days in December 2002 in New York City against Anatoly Karpov. In 2009 in Valencia, Spain, he again played Karpov, and won the Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match (2009) 3-1 and the Kasparov - Karpov Blitz Match (2009) by 6-2. In 2011, as part of his Chess In Schools campaign, he played a two game Kasparov - Lagrave Blitz Match (2011) in Clichy France, winning by 1.5-0.5. A few months later in October 2011, he won the Kasparov - Short Blitz Match (2011) 4.5-3.5 (+3 -2 =3), breaking the deadlock after game 7 by winning game 8 to win the match.

<Simuls> In 1985, Kasparov played his first simul against a team, the Hamburg Bundesliga team lead by GM Murray Chandler, and lost 3.5-4.5, the first and only time he lost a simul against a team. In 1987, he played a simul against the same albeit slightly stronger team, but this time he was prepared and crushed the Hamburg players 7-1; later in 1987 he also crushed the Swiss team: Game Collection: Kasparov vs Swiss Team Simul by 5.5-0.5, drawing only with former World Junior Champion Werner Hug. In 1988 he played a simul against the French team in Evry (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul), winning 4, drawing one and losing one; he played the French team again in 1989 (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul 1989), this time winning three and drawing 3 games. Also in 1988 he played a simul against a group of powerful US Juniors, and won by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2)*****. In 1992, Kasparov played a clock simul against the German team ( Game Collection: Kasparov vs German National Team Simul) which included former title contender Vlastimil Hort with whom he drew, winning 2 and drawing 2. He played a simul against the Argentinean team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Argentinian Team Simul) winning (+7 -1 =4); in 1998 he played the Israeli team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Israeli National Team Simul) winning 7-1, and in 2001 he played the Czech team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Czech National Team Simul) in Prague, winning by +4 -1 =3.

Rating

Kasparov's ratings achievements include being rated world #1 according to Elo rating almost continuously from 1986 until his retirement in 2005. He was the world number-one ranked player for 255 months, a record that far outstrips all other previous and current number-one ranked players. Kasparov had the highest Elo rating in the world continuously from 1986 to 2005. However, Vladimir Kramnik equaled him in the January 1996 FIDE ratings list, technically supplanting him because he played more games. He was also briefly ejected from the list following his split from FIDE in 1993, but during that time he headed the rating list of the rival PCA. At the time of his retirement, he was still ranked #1 in the world, with a rating of 2812. In January 1990 Kasparov achieved the (then) highest FIDE rating ever, passing 2800 and breaking Bobby Fischer's old record of 2785. On the July 1999 and January 2000 FIDE rating lists Kasparov reached a 2851 Elo rating, which became the highest rating ever achieved until surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. There was a time in the early 1990s when Kasparov was over 2800 and the only person in the 2700s was Anatoly Karpov.

Other

Under Kasparov's tutelage, Carlsen became the youngest ever to achieve a FIDE rating higher than 2800, and the youngest ever world number one. Kasparov also assisted Anand's preparation for the Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010) against challenger Veselin Topalov. Since his retirement, Kasparov has concentrated much of his time and energy in Russian politics. He is also a prolific author, most famously his <My Great Predecessors> series. His politics and authorship are discussed at some detail in the wiki article and at his official website cited below. In 2007, he was ranked 25th in The Daily Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses and has won 11 Chess Oscars.

Kasparov has been married three times: first to Masha, with whom he had a daughter, Polina (b. 1993), before divorcing; to Yulia, with whom he had a son, Vadim (b. 1996) before their 2005 divorce; and to Daria, with whom he also has a daughter, Aida (b. 2006).

Biography: http://www.kasparovagent.com/garry_... Kasparov's official website: http://kasparov.com/ Kasparov Chess Foundation: http://www.kasparovchessfoundation....

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Wikipedia article: Kasparov

Last updated: 2022-02-28 10:27:37

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 page 1 of 99; games 1-25 of 2,472  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kasparov vs O Vasilchenko 1-0401973KievC03 French, Tarrasch
2. E Magerramov vs Kasparov 0-1351973BakuB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
3. Kasparov vs S Muratkuliev 1-0321973Baku tt U18C77 Ruy Lopez
4. E Kengis vs Kasparov ½-½541973URS-chT JuniorsB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
5. L Zaid vs Kasparov 1-0381973URS-chT JuniorsE61 King's Indian
6. Kasparov vs Averbakh 1-0481974Moscow clock simC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation
7. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov  0-1391974City Team ChampionshipB56 Sicilian
8. V Gazarian vs Kasparov 0-1561974Baku Schools Team ChampionshipD86 Grunfeld, Exchange
9. Kasparov vs O Privorotsky 1-0381974Azerbaijan Team ChampionshipB40 Sicilian
10. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov 0-1351974City Team ChampionshipE90 King's Indian
11. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0451975LeningradB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
12. O Pavlenko vs Kasparov 0-1341975Baku Cup FinalE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
13. Kasparov vs Polugaevsky ½-½251975LeningradA07 King's Indian Attack
14. Romanishin vs Kasparov 0-1321975LeningradA02 Bird's Opening
15. Kasparov vs Smyslov 0-1301975Team GM/Young PioneersC60 Ruy Lopez
16. Kasparov vs V Sokolov 1-0321975USSR Junior ChampionshipB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
17. Z Einoris vs Kasparov 0-1421975USSR Junior ChampionshipB59 Sicilian, Boleslavsky Variation, 7.Nb3
18. Kasparov vs Yurtaev 0-1441975USSR Junior ChampionshipB39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation
19. Kasparov vs S Gorelov 1-0581975USSR Junior ChampionshipC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
20. Kasparov vs E Kengis ½-½271975USSR Junior ChampionshipB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
21. Dvoirys vs Kasparov ½-½451975USSR Junior ChampionshipB89 Sicilian
22. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-1481975USSR Junior ChampionshipB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
23. Rizvonov vs Kasparov 0-1371975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
24. Vladimirov vs Kasparov ½-½301975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
25. Kasparov vs B Kantsler 1-0321975Junior competitionA07 King's Indian Attack
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Aug-02-11  Petrosianic: <This is false.>

Somebody doesn't know the difference between a statement of fact and a statement of opinion.

<Karpov was already the most dangerous chess player by '72.>

And again. The opinion could be made less tenuous by citing any contemporary source who identified him that way. But it would remain an opinion even if you did. The argument you give, trying to judge Karpov '72 by the performance of Karpov '73 is just bizarre. I'd still have to consider (and at least I admit that my opinions are opinions) Fischer to be the most dangerous player in both '72 and '73.

Aug-02-11  DrMAL: In 1972 aside from Fischer, certainly the best player by then, the two best were reigning WC Boris Spassky and former WC Tal. Tal won the 1972 USSR championship decisively and made the first of two still unbroken records: a record 86 consecutive games without a loss (47 wins and 39 draws) between July 1972 and April 1973.

In 1973, Boris Spassky won the USSR Championship, with Korchnoi and Karpov tied for second. Tal had a lull then but went on to set a new record: 95 consecutive games without a loss (46 wins and 49 draws) for the year between October 23, 1973 and October 16, 1974. That year (1973) Tal also won International Chess Tournament in Tallinn, Estonia but he did not participate in the interzonal.

Still in 1973 Karpov finished equal first with Viktor Korchnoi in the Leningrad Interzonal Tournament, qualifying him for the 1974 Candidates Matches. In 1974 Tal won the Soviet Championship for the fifth time (again in 1978 for a record).

In the 1974 Candidates Matches, Karpov was on record saying that he believed Spassky would easily beat him. Spassky won the first game as Black in good style, but Karpov won after that. The Candidates' final in Moscow with Korchnoi was long. Karpov took an early lead, and ultimately prevailed +3 -2 =19, moving on to challenge Fischer for the world title.

Aug-02-11  raskerino: <Petrosianic> Mr Bojangles wasn't judging by the performance of 1973, he was saying by the January 1973 list (the list immediately following 1972, obviously) Karpov was rated #2. That rating came from 1972 (and previous) results, not 1973.
Aug-02-11  Petrosianic: Maybe I'm either remembering wrong or thinking of a different list, but aren't we talking about the list that was published on the cover of "Chess Life & Review" in <December> 1973, which showed Karpov and Tal tied for second place?

I pulled up the old lists again. The one from the year before puts Karpov in a tie for 7-8th places, which is obviously very good for a 21 year old.

2785 Fischer
2660 Spassky
2645 Petrosian
2645 Polugaevsky
2640 Korchnoi
2640 Portisch
2630 Botvinnik
2630 Karpov
2625 Larsen
2625 Tal
2620 Smyslov
2620 Stein
2600 Hort
2600 Keres

...But I sure wouldn't think "This guy is ready to beat Fischer right NOW." I would think you'd better keep an eye on him, though. I remember Larry Evans writing a column after the San Antonio 1972 tournament stating that Karpov was somebody to look out for, and that the Soviets were "grooming" him as a possible title contender. But nothing about him being the most dangerous man in the world, or thinking he was ready for a shot just yet.

Aug-02-11  Petrosianic: I hope people appreciate how hard it was to use "Karpov" and "grooming" in the same sentence without throwing in a zinger.
Aug-02-11  DrMAL: <Petrosianic> Thanx for your ELO list, makes sense to me. I forgot to mention former WC Petrosian, he was still somewhat better than Karpov in 1972 as well.

If they had the internet then, I'm sure there would have been a zillion "useful" posts about how so many were rated over 2600 their rating must be inflated, or how no-one alive could possibly have beaten Steinitz LOL, cheers.

Aug-02-11  Bdellovibrio: <The one from the year before puts Karpov in a tie for 7-8th places, which is obviously very good for a 21 year old.> <I remember Larry Evans writing a column after the San Antonio 1972 tournament stating that Karpov was somebody to look out for, and that the Soviets were "grooming" him as a possible title contender. But nothing about him being the most dangerous man in the world, or thinking he was ready for a shot just yet.>

Move this into the present, and it's Karjakin you're talking about!

Aug-02-11  raskerino: <Petrosianic> I had assumed bojangles was correct about the date and you had misread what he wrote. But those lists look right, thanks. If that list had been from january, that part of bojangles' point would have made sense and your response would have looked odd, but you clearly know your chess history far better than I do.
Aug-03-11  DrMAL: For a factual account of the Soviet players in 1972 this link to the Olympiad (where Karpov played 1st Reserve aka Board 5) serves as a good reference: http://www.olimpbase.org/1972/1972i...
Aug-03-11  nok: See how close is that '72 top ten list, Fischer put aside. Karpov is 30 points from #2 Spassky. Given the speed at which he was improving, it's not a big surprise he won that training match.

Of course a WC match is another level of pressure, but we know the 21yo had what it takes in the mental department. I think he could have fared better than the so-so Spassky that appeared in Reykjavik.

Aug-03-11  fab4: < Petrosianic: >

What is your agenda ? You're indeed like the player in your site name in this place..

And you have an agenda.Or else you would'nt exhibit so much prejudice regarding my current postings on this site..

So what is it ???? lol

Aug-03-11  Bdellovibrio: <Of course a WC match is another level of pressure, but we know the 21yo had what it takes in the mental department. I think he could have fared better than the so-so Spassky that appeared in Reykjavik.>

Speculative in hindsight, unthinkable in the moment itself (when Karpov's legendary toughness was yet undiscovered).

Aug-03-11  DrMAL: I put up that link hoping that, given some facts about Karpov in 1972, anyone with half a brain (or more) would realize he was by no means whatsoever a candidate for the 1972 WC match (even if invited, groomed, well-paid, well-nourished and well-slept). But this requires some reasoning.

In any event, two years later, Karpov indeed squeaked by Korchnoi in the Candidates Matches final (+3 -2 =19) to become the challenger to Fischer. The rest is history, although in 1975 it is highly doubtful Karpov would have stood a chance then (whether Fischer played during '72-'75 or not).

Aug-03-11  fab4: < DrMAL: I put up that link hoping that, given some facts about Karpov in 1972, anyone with half a brain (or more) would realize he was by no means whatsoever a candidate for the 1972 WC match (even if invited, groomed, well-paid, well-nourished and well-slept). But this requires some reasoning. In any event, two years later, Karpov indeed squeaked by Korchnoi in the Candidates Matches final (+3 -2 =19) to become the challenger to Fischer. The rest is history, although in 1975 it is highly doubtful Karpov would have stood a chance then (whether Fischer played during '72-'75 or not).>

Check out Korchnoi v Karpov in 1978.. a risible match aesthetically if ever there was..

Aug-03-11  DrMAL: <fab4> Yes I remember it very well I was in HS at the time very interested and, being American, was rooting for Korchnoi (even if Karpov was so likeable). After Korchnoi's comeback and the match tied 5-5, many thought he would win playing black (or at least draw and win the next one)! :-)
Aug-03-11
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  perfidious: <DrMAL: I put up that link hoping that, given some facts about Karpov in 1972, anyone with half a brain (or more) would realize he was by no means whatsoever a candidate for the 1972 WC match (even if invited, groomed, well-paid, well-nourished and well-slept)...>

This is a reasonable conclusion; strong as the youngster was, he as yet lacked the top-level experience to seriously challenge for the title. Soviets were thinking longer-term, preparing him for 1975 or so.

<In any event, two years later, Karpov indeed squeaked by Korchnoi in the Candidates Matches final (+3 -2 =19) to become the challenger to Fischer.>

From time to time, I've wondered whether the way in which this result came about was a precursor of things to come: after game 17, Karpov was up 3-0 and limped to the finish (taking a draw in a clearly better, if not won position in game 24). In their 1978 match, Karpov led 5-2 after 27 games before losing three of the next four, then in the first match with Kasparov, it was 5-0 Karpov before a long, energy-sapping series of draws ended with three Karpov losses in a short span.

<The rest is history, although in 1975 it is highly doubtful Karpov would have stood a chance then (whether Fischer played during '72-'75 or not).>

Agreed, though 1978 may well have been a different matter.

Pity we'll never know about either.

Aug-03-11  fab4: Ofcourse Karpov, no matter how 'groomed' by 1975, would've been no match for a motivated and well oiled Fischer. Same can be said for 1978.. see the Karpov v Korchnoi WC match in 78' as evidence ..

Only by 1981 would we be seriously thinking of a changing of the guard. By then I do indeed believe Karpov was at his peak .. and with the monolithic backing he had, would've been on level ground with Fischer..

And Karpov should've vanquished Kasparov in '84 .. his reign would've stretched over the 80's.. Kasparov's should've been much shorter ..

Aug-04-11  DrMAL: IDK, it is really difficult for me to have much of anything to write about Fischer. I think he may have had the most raw talent and, while he did a lot for chess (simply by being American and a bit demanding as well), he was his own worst enemy and self-destructed his career. It's difficult to predict how high he could have gone. He was mentally ill, no doubt about that, pity.

As much as I admire Karpov, I cannot agree about anything regarding him and Kasparov other than what happened, history serves as proof. Both were total chess geniuses, with clashing styles (including personal style). Their monumental battles probably did more for chess understanding, particularly since computers were becoming useful, than in any other era. For example, opening theory was revolutionized during the 90s.

Personally, I believe that, by his combination of inherent talent and his long history of applying it so diligently, Kasparov was the greatest chess player ever, at least so far. But the amount of talent out there today (and chess knowledge) is much more than at any other time. There are some 45 people rated 2700+ this is not some sort of "inflation" it is simply because of ever-growing knowledge advanced in our age of communication and computers.

It's an exciting time for chess. Other times were too, but personally I think there is no time like the present, cheers.

Aug-04-11  fab4: Ridiculous. Inflation cannot be ignored regarding chess ratings.. to do so is just imbecelic. What would 2785 be worth in today's ratins currency ?! lol

Sorry Doctor, you post rubbish.And Fischer did much,much more for chess than just being an 'American' and being 'demanding'.. lol ...

Oh dear !

Aug-04-11  shach matov: woow there <fab>, take it easy! <DrMAL> simply presented his balanced views with facts and good reasoning. I know this is very foreign to you, but try to respect points of view not based on brainless worshiping which you're accustomed to.
Aug-04-11  DrMAL: <fab4> Seems like you are interested in posting insults, pity. Fischer also did a lot for chess simply by his games, that is obvious. Otherwise, yes, the fact that he stood as a figure against the Soviet chess machine during the cold war, and was demanding about money and conditions was the root of his other contributions.

There is zero evidence of any sort of "rating inflation" this term stemmed from criticism of ELO for TPR and similar things due to the small number of games involved, nothing else. The mathematics behind ELO is sound and has been used for a long time in chess and other sports.

In any event, I am not interested in carrying forth this "discussion" any further. Like any other person, I do not like being insulted, especially after taking the time to post opinions that are reasonable and rooted in fact. If you wish post arrogantly or to insult others on here, good luck with it, all I do when this happens is add them to my IGNORE.

Aug-04-11  DrMAL: Here is an article on "rating inflation" by it's number #1 critic who, ironically, has a huge website devoted to nothing other than comparing ratings. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

What Jeff Sonas refuses to recognize is that his observed "systematic" increase of rating is merely a reflection of the human "systematic" increase of knowledge over the years! People today simply know more about (and are therefore on average better at) chess today than ever before.

At the end of this article are the real concerns about "rating inflation." These concerns, about "K-factor" have to do with the fluctuation of rating from game to game, how much to add/subtract based on the outcome of each game. This has nothing whatsoever to do with ELO over a large number of games because the amount added/subtracted averages out anyway. It refers only to short term fluctuation due to a small number of games in, say a tournament. If the K-factor is too high a person may temporarily get too much credit for a great short term performance, and hence their rating may be temporarily "inflated" relative to others of equal strength.

A good reference on ELO is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_ra...

Aug-04-11
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  HeMateMe: All good points. But, if playing strength is on the rise (instead of ratings inflation), and the distribution of chess talent is roughly what is was 40 years ago, why has another Fischer not appeared, someone who can win 19 straight GM games? Meaning, if Bobby Fischer's best rating is just below 2800, then why haven't Anand/Carlsen/Aronian, et al, managed to reel off long strings of victories against top level grandmasters?

One might argue that some of today's players rated over 2750 aren't really as good as Fischer (at his best), despite similar ratings. One might argue that they have reached the equivalent of Fischer's rating by inflation, increased numbers of players and tournaments.

Aug-04-11  Mr. Bojangles: From Kasparov's bio...

<Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov-Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik ... >

Kasparov relinquished his crown ?? Probably the most ignorant and dishonest official account that I have seen so far.

Gosh how embarrassing. In fact many of the bios here are embarrassing to read.

Aug-04-11  DrMAL: The fundamental absurdity in Jeff Sonas' Chessmetrics is his assumption that a person's ranking never changes. If a person was #3 in the world in 1924 then his rating is "adjusted" so that he will still rank as #3 today.

GM John Nunn used the example of Hugo Suechting, world ranked 27 and rated 2559 by Chessmetrics in 1911. An analysis of Suechting's games from that period showed that his level of play was at best 2100 by today's standard.

In such a model any increase in chess knowledge is a complete triviality to absorb and use, independent of player. Bear this in mind when using Lasker's "rating" of 2878 in 1894 by Chessmetrics since, according to it, if he were magically transformed to 2011 he would surely be WC.

By similar precept, if Orville Wright were around today we'd all be driving around in cheap hovering solar powered cars.

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