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May-23-13 | | brankat: Happy Birthday Mr.Karpov! |
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May-23-13 | | mohitm: Happy Birthday to Karpov!
My favorite player of all time. Hoping he becomes FIDE President.
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May-23-13 | | andrewjsacks: Happy birthday to an often under-appreciated World Champion. |
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May-23-13 | | waustad: I only wish I really understood what I saw in his beautiful games. |
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May-23-13
 | | Troller: <mohitm> You said everything I wanted to! |
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May-23-13
 | | ketchuplover: What brankat posted most recently. |
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May-23-13
 | | Richard Taylor: He was in his time ca 1974 the greatest player including Fischer. |
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May-23-13 | | kasparvez: Happy Birthday to the greatest ambassador of our sports! While in terms of playing strength he was up there on the Olympus with Fischer and Kasparov, what distinguished him from most was his friendly disposition and innate humility. Long live the great Tolya!! |
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May-23-13 | | Tal7777777: Happy birthday Mr. Caro-Kann! |
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May-23-13 | | Raginmund: LONG LIVE Great Master!!
Unique in style... great profilaxy player...
genius in long plans
beautiful games
gems of chess |
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May-23-13 | | nok: Probably also the greatest rapid player of all time. |
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May-23-13 | | Everett: What differing styles, Karpov and Kasparov had. Kasparov's opponents saw some of it coming and couldn't stop it. Karpov's opponents thought everything was fine and then had no good moves. |
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May-23-13
 | | offramp: I like many of Karpov's games. He's one of the greatest at slow manoeuvring. But Kasparov noticed a persistent failure to engage in calculation. Laziness, in a way, from 1985 onwards. |
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May-23-13
 | | northernfox: <Everett> That is a nice succinct summary of a whole lot of chess talent. Thanks |
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May-23-13 | | chesswar1000: Happy Birthday Mr. God of Strategy. |
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May-23-13 | | Everett: < offramp: I like many of Karpov's games. He's one of the greatest at slow manoeuvring. But Kasparov noticed a persistent failure to engage in calculation. Laziness, in a way, from 1985 onwards.> Big whoop. All this shows is how amazing Karpov's assessment of position was. Seems hardly anyone save Kasparov could take advantage of his laziness, and not too often in match play. I mean, it must be frustrating to be such a beast in all things chessic and still barely beat someone who didn't work too hard at the game. Thank goodness for Kasparov, and everyone, that Karpov was a bit of an idler, by most accounts. |
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May-23-13 | | brankat: As M.Tal used to say, often it is hard to understand Karpov's moves/ideas. By the time it sinks in, it's too late :-) Similar with Petrosian. |
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May-24-13 | | RookFile: Karpov's prime was 75 to 85. The man was champ and won everything. If you want to compare players, you have to put that version of Karpov up against them. |
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May-24-13 | | Lambda: I'd say Karpov's peak would be about 1973-1990, and he was still almost as good (or as good, but not quite so consistently) in 1996. For an absolute peak, I'd say the 1987 match. |
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May-24-13 | | Poisonpawns: One of the tragedies of Karpov(although he was a truly great champion)is that against Kasparov he would often lose from better positions usually due to a one move error.I think although Karpov was probably a better player;Kasparov figured out that Karpov could get tired, and used this to his advantage. Recall the Karpov-Korchnoi match, when Karpov lost 3 games in a row and nearly lost the match.The end of the 84/85 match. What about this one?Kasparov vs Karpov, 1985 or this one 35.Rc6?? Karpov vs Kasparov, 1987 or Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985
and Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986
Kasparov`s formula for Karpov was to create tactically complex scenarios.Karpov is forced to work very hard;although Karpov may have a better position he is very tired.Kasparov continues pressure.Karpov blunders.Kasparov wins. This is my opinion after analyzing these games over the years.I honestly think that Karpov was the "better player" and possessed a higher understanding of the game.However;other factors are at play in these matches, and physicality/health is one of them. |
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May-24-13 | | parisattack: <Poisonpawns...I honestly think that Karpov was the "better player" and possessed a higher understanding of the game.> Me, too. Kasparov probably had a better view of the 'chess geometry' - but I think Karpov had a stronger understanding of chess per se. I have long ranked Karpov third on my Top 10 list behind Fischer, Capablanca and ahead of Kasparov. All very subjective - especially when one is 800 ELO weaker :) but still a fun topic. |
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May-24-13 | | Nerwal: <Poisonpawns>I've looked at the 12 games played in Lyon in 1990. I did not see much a difference in styles. Kasparov held Karpov quite easily in endgames and technical positions while Karpov was not bad in tactical positions. But I was amazed to count that Karpov held the initiative in 8 of them : games 13, 14, 15, 17, 21, 22, 23, and 24. How many of them he won ? Only two, games 17 and 23 where Kasparov played thoroughly badly and basically collapsed. Kasparov held the initiative in only four games (games 16, 18, 19 and 20), but scored 3.5/4, and the draw was just a gift. Kasparov was just much better in making the most of his chances (where Karpov liked to play his "vague" moves, he would be much more concrete and agressive) and much more efficient with the initiative. In earlier matches it's true Karpov sometimes blundered in complex positions. But Kasparov also sometimes blundered in simple endgames. At Seville both players were tired and Kasparov also blundered badly in complex positions in games 5 and 23. |
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May-24-13
 | | offramp: The worst thing that happened to Karpov was winning Kasparov vs Karpov, 1985.
He went on to play another 6 or 7 Ruy Lopezes and lost the lot.
If only he had discovered the Caro-Kann earlier! |
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May-24-13 | | diceman: <offramp:If only he had discovered the Caro-Kann earlier!> He was playing it in 1974 vs Spassky. |
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May-24-13 | | Nerwal: <The worst thing that happened to Karpov was winning Kasparov vs Karpov, 1985. He went on to play another 6 or 7 Ruy Lopezes and lost the lot. If only he had discovered the Caro-Kann earlier!>
He has the Caro-Kann in his repertoire. He played in 1974 against Spassky (and in 1987 against Sokolov prior to Seville). And he lost some Caro-Kann in tournament games with Kasparov too. Maybe he was concerned with the idea to pick sound openings offering equal chances rather than groveling with openings which were thought to be slightly inferior. That's maybe the only reason why he didn't pick the Berlin defence before Kramnik. The idea to willingly enter slightly worse positions with no hope to equalize just for the sake of drying up the game in the hope to hold sounded foolish back then. |
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