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Nov-17-23
 | | keypusher: <This weren't odds games, and can't be discounted just because they were "casual", since most of Morphy's games were casual (e.g. his match with Anderssen).> My understanding with Anderssen was that there was a formal first-to-seven-wins match (11 games, nine days, no King's Gambits) followed by six casual games (all played in a day, all King's Gambits). https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... Anyway, doesn't change the point. I'd be curious to see a computer analysis of the Riviere 1863 games versus the Anderssen 1858 games, though I would expect it would support the story told by the Edo ratings. |
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| Nov-17-23 | | nok: <de Rivière reports that he won the first three games... the final result of these games was +13-5 for Morphy.> So Morphy started 0-3 then went 13-2. I'd like to know what happened there. Interesting nonetheless. |
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| Nov-17-23 | | stone free or die: <kp> of course that's a very good and important point about the various Morphy--Anderssen games. I think if there's a need for a semi-formal category - applicable to the best-of-seven match. Those games weren't part of a tournament, or of a money-stakes match, both of which I view as "formal". The M-A match was for honor, and though Morphy viewed as distinctly meaningful, others might put it a half-step less so. I wish I had the Anderssen(?) quote handy about Morphy being (to paraphrase) a true artist of the chessboard. . |
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| Nov-18-23 | | stone free or die: Did a little research tonight, and found the US newspaper coverage of the first encounter in 1863 reported Morphy and de Riviere had a 5-game match, which apparently de Riviere won with a score of 3/5. The first report I found was given in the <Baltimore Sun>, 1863-03-02 p1. |
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| Nov-18-23 | | stone free or die: An interesting little aside about Morphy and de Riviere from the <Louiville Courier Journal> of 1884-01-13, p1: <Theodore speaks of La Riviere, the eminent chess-player who claims to have won five games off Paul Morphy in a match of fifteen games. This is a little doubtful. The Frenchman has in his possession the handsome gold watch presented to Morphy by the New York Chess Club, with the monogram of the great chess-player on the case. Riviere loaned the American money on the security, a trophy which will never be redeemed. Morphy is now the inmate of a lunatic asylum.> One must be circumspect with the info contained therein (e.g. the doubtful statement is doubtful, and I don't think Morphy was ever an inmate, though I believe his mother and sister tried to have him committed.). The info that I trust is the bit about de Riviere and the watch, which I believe is true. In fact there is also this (familar to <sally> and <atterdag> from other forums): <What Happened to Paul Morphy's Waltham Watch?> https://blog.pocketwatchdatabase.co... * * *
<John Webb’s Magnum Opus: The Watch Dial Designed for Chess Master Paul Morphy> https://blog.pocketwatchdatabase.co... |
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| Jan-03-24 | | ADmightywarriorIN: morphy was animal in 1858, and when told about steinitz visiting new orleans he said: pass messagbe to steinitz his gambit is bad, he knew in his head how to break it, so i dont think steinitz, tarrash or whoever would beat him but it would be closer than anderssen@! |
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| Jan-03-24 | | ADmightywarriorIN: do we have riviere match at least one on the level, remember its like boxing champion being challenged by some loser and he beats him.. its never official since champ was never prepared and simply showed off, result does not go on pro rec!DUH, THIS IS NO FREAKING WIKIPEDOIA TO GET IT.... http://ARCHIVE.IS/Y0BB http://xahlee.info/w/do_not_donate_... PART OF WIKIMEDIA FOUNDATION MISINFORMATION DISINFORMATION WHERE WIKIFAGGOTS THRIVE LIKE WIKIMAGGOTS:
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| Jan-25-24 | | stone free or die:
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| Mar-04-24 | | Schwartz: With 100 games to demonstrate strong play to a novice, they first requested Paul Morphy; so as to usefully employ all their pieces. I've seen lots of players throw games to him. Could someone recommend some, maybe vs Daniel Harrwitz? I'm looking for full, longish games, maybe five total. I only have a 100 games budget, and want to get into exchange sacrifices and Soviet games eventually. I'm not sure what should be the focuses. |
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Mar-04-24
| | keypusher: <Schwartz: With 100 games to demonstrate strong play to a novice, they first requested Paul Morphy; so as to usefully employ all their pieces. I've seen lots of players throw games to him. Could someone recommend some, maybe vs Daniel Harrwitz? I'm looking for full, longish games, maybe five total. I only have a 100 games budget, and want to get into exchange sacrifices and Soviet games eventually. I'm not sure what should be the focuses.> Assuming I understand the request:
Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 (why deny your novice this?) Morphy vs T Hampton, 1858 (another powerful game) J Schulten vs Morphy, 1857 (Yes, it's a blowout, but it's wonderful to see Morphy make the pieces dance) Morphy vs Loewenthal, 1858 (nice Daniel King video you can use) Harrwitz vs Morphy, 1858 (go straight to the endgame) Anderssen vs Morphy, 1858 is definitely a full, long-ish game, but your novice may find it confusing, plus Morphy loses) |
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| Mar-04-24 | | Schwartz: Thanks keypusher, those look great. This could just be a coincidence, but Morphy sounds like more feet. I'll get them printed out in the next few days, and add our comments. |
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| Mar-04-24 | | Atking: <nok: <de Rivière reports that he won the first three games... the final result of these games was +13-5 for Morphy.>
So Morphy started 0-3 then went 13-2. I'd like to know what happened there. Interesting nonetheless.> It's not the first time that Paul Morphy had a bad start to win easily a match. By the way it answers about the capacity of Paul Morphy to learn quicky. And about his capacity of work just remember how young he finished his university exams. In my view how far Paul Morphy chess level could go is more and less about his real motivation. |
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| Mar-29-24 | | ADmightywarriorIN: the 2 staunton games were consultation games, they county only as exhibition... not official, meaning oppoennets dont care and/or dont have to be fully preprared.. it's like when you ask piotr priest to bless the grave of venerable wanda nida but he does it in secret and family is not present (or whoever), it does not count since it's not official! |
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| May-03-24 | | Sebastian88: The phenomenal Morphy! More than 450 games. All have been commented! |
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May-07-24
 | | MissScarlett: Just as Morphy didn’t die in a bath filled with women’s shoes, Mama Cass didn’t choke on a ham sandwich: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainm... |
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| May-26-24 | | Granny O Doul: The recent New York Times article about Mama Cass was very similar to the BBC's; both alluded to jokes about the ham sandwich without actually relating any. So for anyone who has yet to hear one, the only one I remember was "if Mama Cass had shared her ham sandwich with Karen Carpenter, both might still be alive". This is a rare example of a topical joke that improves with age, as when it was current it rather limped due to the fact that the two singers died nearly a decade apart. |
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Jul-07-24
| | MissScarlett: <Who was Charles Boudousquie who, in June 1858, travelled with Paul Morphy from New York to Liverpool ? The issue of New York Times of Thursday, June 10th, 1858, indeed contains the list of passengers sailing from New York to Liverpool [1]. Among them, Paul Morphy who is said to travel with Chas. Bondoesquie.> https://www.paul-morphy.com/morphy-... |
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| Jul-26-24 | | ColdSong: It has certainly already be said here,Morphy was obviously kind of Chess genius,and certainly number one at a moment or another,but after all he only played three really strong players,Paulsen,Harrwitz and Anderssen,and one can find about ten great names he never played.Staunton and Steinitz,a well known fact,but Von Der Lasa,Kieseritzky,Kolisch,Neumann,Mackenzie,Black-
burne,Zukertort,without forgetting the mysterious Eichborn,too. |
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| Jan-02-25 | | MichealCazmiel: <SBC>
<Yes. Morphy was a sincere and devout Roman Catholic and attended Mass, their religious ceremonies, on a daily basis.> Didn't he threatened to sue the Church tho? |
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| Jan-10-25 | | The Rocket: < +167 -25 =16 (84.1%)*
* Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 248 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic>Morphy does not have 167 wins from his matches plus that lone tournament he won, and the stats exclude exhibition games, so were do all these 167 wins come from? |
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Jan-10-25
 | | jnpope: <The Rocket>, those additional games would be all of the other "Classical" games played by Morphy. Chessgames.com has several categories for games: Classical, Blitz, Rapid, Quick, Blindfold, Analysis, Exhibition, Armageddon, Unorthodox, Correspondence, and Other. I believe the <Overall winning percentage> is calculated based solely upon the games for a player designated as Classical. The Classical games are tournament games, match games, and any additional one-on-one games played under the prevailing rules of chess of their day (i.e. the same rules followed during tournament or match play). The way I think about it would be the same as two modern players agreeing to play a rated game outside the venue of a tournament or match. Just two guys slugging it out for rating points in our modern times, but back then they would have been contesting the game for the sake of honor and reputation. So no less serious than a tournament or match game, just a different type of "event" (a single encounter or even a short series of games). |
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| Jan-13-25 | | The Rocket: <"those additional games would be all of the other "Classical" games played by Morphy."> His classical games were matches and a tournament. most other games were odds games. |
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Jan-14-25
| | jnpope: Well, it's fairly easy to break this down:
456 total Morphy games in the CG database.
188 are odds games
Takes us to 268 games.
54 are blindfold games
Takes us to 214 games
5 of those are from a simul
So 209 remaining games (says 167+25+16 above = 208)
188+54+5=247 excluded games (says 248 excluded above) So we are ± 1 game from the CG totals by my spot-check. (although I'm curious which game of my 209 was also excluded, I'd have to check each one to see if it was coded as an exhibition game) |
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| Jan-14-25 | | The Rocket: <So 209 remaining games> the math doesnt add upp to me. Chessgames have been in error before, especially time controls for head to head stats. It claims Shirov has beaten Karpov in classical chess. He has not. |
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Feb-25-25
 | | chrisowen: "https://www.chess.com/game/computer..." bellyache xxx |
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