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Jose Raul Capablanca
Capablanca 
 

Number of games in database: 1,252
Years covered: 1893 to 1941
Overall record: +374 -51 =268 (73.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 559 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Ruy Lopez (168) 
    C66 C78 C62 C84 C83
 Orthodox Defense (82) 
    D63 D51 D52 D50 D67
 Queen's Gambit Declined (69) 
    D30 D37 D31 D06 D38
 Queen's Pawn Game (56) 
    D02 D00 D05 D04 A46
 French Defense (56) 
    C12 C01 C10 C11 C14
 Four Knights (41) 
    C49 C48
With the Black pieces:
 Ruy Lopez (54) 
    C72 C66 C68 C77 C73
 Orthodox Defense (53) 
    D67 D63 D53 D51 D64
 Queen's Pawn Game (41) 
    A46 D00 D02 D05 A45
 Caro-Kann (20) 
    B13 B18 B15 B12 B10
 Nimzo Indian (20) 
    E24 E34 E37 E23 E40
 French Defense (19) 
    C01 C12 C15 C17 C10
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Capablanca vs Tartakower, 1924 1-0
   Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 1-0
   Lasker vs Capablanca, 1921 0-1
   O Bernstein vs Capablanca, 1914 0-1
   A Nimzowitsch vs Capablanca, 1927 0-1
   Janowski vs Capablanca, 1916 0-1
   Capablanca vs K Treybal, 1929 1-0
   Marshall vs Capablanca, 1909 0-1
   Capablanca vs M Fonaroff, 1918 1-0
   Capablanca vs Spielmann, 1927 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921)
   Capablanca - Alekhine World Championship Match (1927)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Rice Memorial (1916)
   Capablanca - Marshall (1909)
   New York Masters (1915)
   Hastings (1919)
   American National (1913)
   Rice CC Masters (1913)
   New York (1918)
   London (1922)
   Barcelona (1929)
   New York International (1931)
   Moscow (1936)
   St. Petersburg (1914)
   Karlsbad (1929)
   New York (1924)
   Moscow (1925)

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GAMES ANNOTATED BY CAPABLANCA: [what is this?]
   Lasker vs Capablanca, 1921
   Capablanca vs Lasker, 1921
   Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910
   Capablanca vs Lasker, 1921
   A Nimzowitsch vs Capablanca, 1913
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JOSE RAUL CAPABLANCA
(born Nov-19-1888, died Mar-08-1942, 53 years old) Cuba

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José Raúl Capablanca y Graupera was the third World Champion, reigning from 1921 until 1927. Renowned for the simplicity of his play, his legendary endgame prowess, accuracy, and the speed of his play, he earned the nickname of the "Human Chess Machine".

Background

Capablanca, the second son of a Spanish Army officer, was born in Havana. He learned to play at an early age by watching his father and defeated Cuban Champion Juan Corzo in an informal match in 1901 by 6.5-5.5 (+4 −3 =5), turning 13 years of age during the match. Despite this and despite taking 4th place in the first Cuban Championship in 1902, he did not focus on chess until 1908 when he left Columbia University where he had enrolled to study chemical engineering and play baseball. He did, however, join the Manhattan Chess Club in 1905, soon establishing his dominance in rapid chess. He won a rapid chess tournament in 1906 ahead of the World Champion Emanuel Lasker, and played many informal games against him. Within a year or two of dropping out of university and after playing simultaneous exhibitions in dozens of US cities, winning over 95% of his games, Capablanca had established himself as one of the top players in the world, especially after the Capablanca - Marshall (1909) New York match exhibition win 15-8 (+8 -1 =14).

Tournaments

Capablanca won the 1910 New York State Championship by defeating co-leader Charles Jaffe in a tiebreaker match. In 1911, he placed second in the National Tournament in New York, with 9½ out of 12, half a point behind Marshall, and half a point ahead of Jaffe and Oscar Chajes. There followed Capablanca's groundbreaking win at San Sebastian (1911) with 9½/14 (+6 -1 =7), ahead of Akiba Rubinstein and Milan Vidmar on 9, Marshall on 8.5, and other luminaries such as Carl Schlechter, Siegbert Tarrasch and Ossip Bernstein. Before the tournament, Aron Nimzowitsch protested the unknown Capablanca's involvement in the event, but the latter demonstrated his credentials by defeating Nimzowitsch in their game. Winning at San Sebastian was only the second time a player had won a major tournament at his first attempt since Harry Pillsbury 's triumph at Hastings in 1895, and it provided a powerful boost to his credibility to challenge for the world title. He did so, but the match did not take place for another 10 years.

In early 1913, Capablanca won a tournament in New York with 11/13 (+10 -1 =2), half a point ahead of Marshall. Capablanca then finished second with 10/14 (+8 -2 =4), a half point behind Marshall in Havana, losing one of their individual games, rumour having it that he asked the mayor to clear the room so that no one would see him resign. Returning to New York, Capablanca won all thirteen games at the New York tournament of 1913, played at the Rice Chess Club. 1914 saw the <"tournament of champions"> played at St. Petersburg. Capablanca, with 13/18 (+10 -2 =6), came second behind Lasker and well ahead of Alexander Alekhine on 10, Tarrasch on 8.5 and Marshall on 8.

After the outbreak of World War I, Capablanca stayed in New York and won tournaments held there in 1915 (13/14 (+12 -0 =2)), 1916 (14/17 (+12 -1 =4)) and 1918 (10.5/12 (+9 =3)). During the New York 1918 tournament, Marshall played his prepared Marshall Attack of the Ruy Lopez* against Capablanca, but Capablanca worked his way through the complications and won. Soon after the war, Capablanca crossed the Atlantic to decisively win the Hastings Victory Tournament 1919 with 10.5/11, a point ahead of Borislav Kostic.

Capablanca did not play another tournament until 1922, the year after he won the title from Lasker. During his reign, he won London 1922 with 13/15 (no losses), 1.5 points ahead of Alekhine; placed second behind Lasker at New York 1924 (suffering his first loss in eight years – to Richard Reti – since his 1916 lost to Oscar Chajes); placed 3rd at Moscow in 1925 behind Efim Bogoljubov and Lasker respectively with +9 =9 -2; won at Lake Hopatcong (New York) 1926 with 6/8 (+4 =4), a point ahead of Abraham Kupchik and won at New York in 1927 with 14/20 (+10 -1 =9), 2.5 points clear of Alekhine, his last tournament before his title match with Alekhine. During the latter tournament, Capablanca, Alekhine, Rudolf Spielmann, Milan Vidmar, Nimzowitsch and Marshall played a quadruple round robin, wherein Capablanca finished undefeated, winning the mini-matches with each of his rivals, 2½ points ahead of second-placed Alekhine, and won the "best game" prize for a win over Spielmann. This result, plus the fact that Alekhine had never defeated him in a game, made him a strong favourite to retain his title in the upcoming match against Alekhine. However, Alekhine's superior preparation prevailed against Capablanca's native talent.

After losing the title, Capablanca settled in Paris and engaged in a flurry of tournament competition aimed at improving his chances for a rematch with Alekhine. However the latter dodged him, refusing to finalise negotiations for a rematch, boycotting events that included Capablanca, and insisting that Capablanca not be invited to tournaments in which he participated. In 1928, Capablanca won at Budapest with 7/9 (+5 =4), a point ahead of Marshall, and at Berlin with 8.5/12 (+5 =7), 1.5 points ahead of Nimzowitsch; he also came second at Bad Kissingen with 7/11 (+4 -1 =6), after Bogoljubov. In 1929, Capablanca won at Ramsgate with 5.5/7 (+4 =3) ahead of Vera Menchik and Rubinstein, at Budapest with 10.5/13 (+8 =5), and at Barcelona with 13.5/14, two points clear of Savielly Tartakower he also came equal second with Spielmann and behind Nimzowitsch at Carlsbad with 14.5/21 (+10 -2 =9). He won at the 1929-30 Hastings tournament and came second at Hastings in 1930-31, behind Max Euwe, his only loss being to Sultan Khan. Several months later he won New York for the last time, this time with a score of 10/11 (+9 =2) ahead of Isaac Kashdan.

Perhaps discouraged by his inability to secure a rematch with Alekhine, there followed a hiatus for over three years before he reentered the fray with a fourth placing at Hastings in 1934-35 with 5.5/9 (+4 -2 =3), behind Sir George Thomas, Euwe and Salomon Flohr but ahead of Mikhail Botvinnik and Andre Lilienthal. In 1935, he secured 4th place in Moscow with 12/19 (+7 -2 =10), a point behind Botvinnik and Flohr, and a half point behind the evergreen Lasker. Also in 1935, he came second at Margate with 7/9 (+6 -1 =2), half a point behind Samuel Reshevsky. 1936 was a very successful year, coming 2nd at Margate with 7/9 (+5 =4), a half point behind Flohr, but then he moved up a gear to take Moscow with 13/18 (+8 =10), a point ahead of Botvinnik who in turn was 2.5 points ahead of Flohr, and then came =1st with Botvinnik at the famous Nottingham tournament, with 10/14 (+7 -1 =6) ahead of Euwe, Reuben Fine and Reshevsky on 9.5, and Flohr and Lasker on 8.5. These latter two results were the only tournaments in which he finished ahead of Lasker, which enhanced his chances of challenging for the title, but a challenge to World Champion Euwe was out of the question until after the Euwe - Alekhine World Championship Rematch (1937) , which was won by Alekhine. In 1937, Capablanca came =3rd with Reshevsky at Semmering with 7.5/14 (+2 -1 =11) behind Paul Keres and Fine and in 1938 he won the Paris tournament with 8/10 (+6 =4) ahead of Nicolas Rossolimo. The worst result of his career occurred at the AVRO tournament which was played in several cities in the Netherlands in 1938, placing 7th out of 8 players with 6/14 (+2 -4 =8), the only time he ever had a negative score in a tournament. His health in this tournament was fragile as he had suffered severe hypertension, which affected his concentration towards the end of his games; he may have also suffered a slight stroke halfway through the tournament. Travelling between the numerous cities in which the tournament was played was also hard on the ageing master. In 1939 he played his last tournament at Margate, placing =2nd with Flohr on 6.5/9 (+4 =5) a point behind Keres. Shortly afterwards, he finished his playing career – albeit unknowingly - in a blaze of glory by winning gold with +7 =9 on board one for Cuba at the 8th Olympiad in Buenos Aires.

Matches

In addition to the informal match against Corzo in 1901 and the exhibition match against Marshall in 1909 (see above), Capablanca played a three-game match against Charles Jaffe in New York in 1912, winning two and drawing one, and won the first game of a match against Chajes before the latter withdrew from the match. In 1914, he defeated Ossip Bernstein 1.5-0.5, Tartakower by 1.5-0.5 and Andre Aurbach by 2-0. On his way to the 1914 tournament in St Petersburg, he played two-game matches against Richard Teichmann and Jacques Mieses in Berlin, winning all his games. Once he reached Saint Petersburg, he played similar matches against Alexander Alekhine, Eugene Znosko-Borovsky and Fyodor Duz-Khotimirsky, losing one game to Znosko-Borovsky and winning the rest. In 1919, Capablanca accepted a challenge to a match from Borislav Kostić who had come second at New York in 1918 without dropping a game. The match was to go to the first player to win eight games, but Kostić resigned from the match, played in Havana, after losing five straight games - Capablanca - Kostic (1919). In late 1931, just before his temporary retirement from top-level chess, Capablanca also won a match (+2 −0 =8) against Euwe - Capablanca - Euwe (1931).

World Championship

Capablanca's win at San Sebastian in 1911 provided the results and the impetus for Capablanca to negotiate with Lasker for a title match, but some of Lasker's conditions were unacceptable to Capablanca, especially one requiring the challenger to win by two points to take the title, while the advent of World War I delayed the match. In 1920, Lasker and Capablanca agreed to play the title match in 1921, but a few months later, the former was ready to surrender the title without a contest, saying, "You have earned the title not by the formality of a challenge, but by your brilliant mastery." A significant stake ($25,000, $13,000 guaranteed to Lasker) was raised that induced Lasker to play in Havana where Capablanca won the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) - without losing a game - after Lasker resigned from the match when trailing by 4 games, the first time a World Champion had lost his title without winning a game until the victory by Vladimir Kramnik in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000). From 1921 to 1923, Alekhine, Rubinstein and Nimzowitsch all challenged Capablanca, but only Alekhine could raise the money stipulated in the so-called "London Rules", which these players had signed in 1921. A group of Argentinean businessmen, backed by a guarantee from the president of Argentina, promised the funds for a World Championship match between Capablanca and Alekhine, and once the deadline for Nimzowitsch to lodge a deposit for a title match had passed, the title match was agreed to, beginning in September 1927. Capablanca lost the Capablanca - Alekhine World Championship Match (1927) at Buenos Aires in 1927 by +3 -6 =25 in the longest title match ever, until it was surpassed by the legendary Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85). The match lasted over ten weeks, taking place behind closed doors, thus precluding spectators and photographers. All but two of the 34 games opened with the Queen's Gambit Declined. Before Capablanca and Alekhine left Buenos Aires after the match, they agreed in principle to stage a rematch, with Alekhine essentially sticking with the conditions initially imposed by Capablanca. Despite on-again off-again negotiations over the next 13 years, the rematch never materialised, with Alekhine playing two title matches each against Bogolyubov and Euwe in the subsequent decade. While Capablanca and Alekhine were both representing their countries at the Buenos Aires Olympiad in 1939, an attempt was made by Augusto de Muro, the President of the Argentine Chess Federation, to arrange a World Championship match between the two. Alekhine declined, saying he was obliged to be available to defend his adopted homeland, France, as World War II had just broken out. A couple of days prior to this, Capablanca had declined to play when his Cuban team played France, headed by Alekhine, in the Olympiad.

Simultaneous exhibitions

Capablanca's legendary speed of play lent itself to the rigours of simultaneous play, and he achieved great success in his exhibitions. From December 1908 through February 1909, Capablanca toured the USA and in 10 exhibitions he won 168 games in a row before losing a game in Minneapolis; his final tally for that tour was 734 games, winning 96.7% (+703 =19 -12). In March and April 1911, Capablanca toured Europe for the first time, giving exhibitions in France and Germany scoring +234=33-19. Once completed, he proceeded to San Sebastian and his historic victory before again touring Europe via its cities of Rotterdam, Leiden, Middelburg, The Hague, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin, Breslau, Allenstein, Prague, Budapest, Vienna, Stuttgart, Mannheim, Frankfurt, Paris, London and Birmingham at the end of which his tally was +532=66-54. After he received his job as a roving ambassador-at-large from the Cuban Foreign Office, Capablanca played a series of simuls in London, Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, Riga, Moscow, Kyiv, and Vienna on his way to St Petersburg in 1914, tallying +769=91-86. In 1922, Capablanca gave a simultaneous exhibition in Cleveland against 103 opponents, the largest in history up to that time, winning 102 and drawing one – setting a record for the best winning percentage ever – 99.5% - in a large simultaneous exhibition. In 1925 Capablanca gave a simultaneous exhibition in Leningrad and won every game but one, a loss against 12-year-old Mikhail Botvinnik, whom he predicted would one day be champion. Capablanca still holds the record for the most games ever completed in simultaneous exhibitions, playing and completing 13545 games between 1901-1940.**

Legacy, testimonials and life

Soon after gaining the title, Capablanca married Gloria Simoni Betancourt in Havana. They had a son, José Raúl Jr., in 1923 and a daughter, Gloria, in 1925. His father died in 1923 and his mother in 1926. In 1937 he divorced Gloria and in 1938 married Olga Chagodayev, a Russian princess.

Capablanca's famous "invincible" streak extended from February 10, 1916, when he lost to Oscar Chajes in the New York 1916 tournament, to March 21, 1924, when he lost to Richard Réti in the New York International tournament. During this time he played 63 games, winning 40 and drawing 23, including his successful title match against Lasker. Between 1914 and his World Championship match against Alekhine, Capablanca had only lost four games of the 158 match and tournament games he had played. In match, team match, and tournament play from 1909 to 1939 he scored +318=249-34. Only Spielmann held his own (+2 −2 =8) against Capablanca, apart from Keres who had a narrow plus score against him (+1 −0 =5) due to his win at the AVRO 1938 tournament, during which the ailing Capablanca turned 50, while Keres was 22.

Capablanca played himself in Chess Fever http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0015673/, a short film shot by V. Pudovkin at the 1925 Moscow tournament. The film can be seen at http://video.google.com/videoplay?d....

On 7 March 1942, Capablanca collapsed at the Manhattan Chess Club and he was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, where he died the next morning from "a cerebral haemorrhage provoked by hypertension". Emanuel Lasker had died in the same hospital the year before. Capablanca's body was given a public funeral in Havana's Colón Cemetery a week later, with President Batista taking personal charge of the funeral arrangements.

Capablanca proposed a new chess variant, played on a 10x10 board or a 10x8 board. He introduced two new pieces. The chancellor had the combined moves of a rook and knight (the piece could move like a rook or a knight). The other piece was the archbishop which had the combined moves of a bishop and knight.

Capablanca‘s style also heavily influenced the styles of later World Champions Botvinnik, Robert James Fischer and Anatoly Karpov. Botvinnik observed that Alekhine had received much schooling from Capablanca in positional play before their fight for the world title made them bitter enemies. While not a theoretician as such, he wrote several books including A Primer of Chess, Chess Fundamentals and My Chess Career.

Alekhine: <…Capablanca was snatched from the chess world much too soon. With his death, we have lost a very great chess genius whose like we shall never see again.>

Lasker: <I have known many chess players, but only one chess genius: Capablanca.>

Notes

Capablanca occasionally played consultation on the team consisting of Reti / Capablanca.

Sources:

Bill Wall's Chess Master Profiles - http://billwall.phpwebhosting.com/a...; Edward Winter's article A Question of Credibiity: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...; Chess Corner's article on Capablanca: http://www.chesscorner.com/worldcha... and <kingcrusher>'s online article at http://www.gtryfon.demon.co.uk/bcc/.... A list of books about Capablanca can be found at http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/....

* Ruy Lopez, Marshall (C89) ** http://www.fide.com/component/conte...

Wikipedia article: José Raúl Capablanca

Last updated: 2025-03-16 04:08:07

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. R Iglesias vs Capablanca 0-1381893Odds game000 Chess variants
2. Capablanca vs E Delmonte 1-0181901Match-seriesB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
3. L Paredes vs Capablanca 0-1451901Match-seriesC44 King's Pawn Game
4. Capablanca vs E Corzo 1-0351901Match-seriesC67 Ruy Lopez
5. Capablanca vs A Fiol ½-½491901Match-seriesC45 Scotch Game
6. J Corzo vs Capablanca 1-0411901Havana casualB01 Scandinavian
7. A Gavilan vs Capablanca 0-1391901Match-seriesC45 Scotch Game
8. A K Ettlinger vs Capablanca 0-1531901Casual gameC45 Scotch Game
9. Capablanca vs M Marceau 1-0311901Match-seriesC45 Scotch Game
10. M Marquez Sterling vs Capablanca ½-½501901HavanaC77 Ruy Lopez
11. Capablanca vs J A Blanco 1-0491901Match-seriesC45 Scotch Game
12. E Delmonte vs Capablanca 0-1321901Match-seriesD00 Queen's Pawn Game
13. Capablanca vs L Paredes 1-0291901Match-seriesC02 French, Advance
14. E Corzo vs Capablanca 1-0321901Match-seriesC11 French
15. Capablanca vs J Corzo 0-1601901Havana casualC45 Scotch Game
16. A Fiol vs Capablanca 0-1361901HavanaC55 Two Knights Defense
17. Capablanca vs A Gavilan 1-0771901Match-seriesC01 French, Exchange
18. Capablanca vs M Marquez Sterling 1-0301901HavanaC01 French, Exchange
19. Capablanca vs E Corzo 0-1301901Havana casualC40 King's Knight Opening
20. Capablanca vs E Corzo 1-0421901Havana casualC40 King's Knight Opening
21. J A Blanco vs Capablanca 0-1771901HavanaC55 Two Knights Defense
22. Capablanca vs C Echevarria 1-0491901Simul, 8bC44 King's Pawn Game
23. Capablanca vs J Corzo 0-1291901Capablanca - CorzoC45 Scotch Game
24. J Corzo vs Capablanca 1-0271901Capablanca - CorzoC52 Evans Gambit
25. Capablanca vs J Corzo ½-½611901Capablanca - CorzoA80 Dutch
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Jan-04-06  Chesschatology: <RookFile>

Didn't Botv. say that Morphy found out everything there was to know about the open games- i.e. perfected them theoretically and practically?

Kaspy does not agree with Botvinnik in OMGP- Says check out Bronstein "200 Open Games" or some such title for proof that there have been significant discoveries in this tropic of the Chess oceans.

Jan-04-06  TIMER: <chesschatology> Korchnoi said that Botvinnik had no special talent for chess, but was just a very hard worker and an iron will!
Jan-04-06  ughaibu: Alekhine said "I dominate them all".
Jan-04-06  RookFile: So, I've read Bronstein's 200 open games. Later analysis will always show a refinement in anyone's play, Morphy's included. That being said, Morphy was still the best at open games.
Jan-04-06  Chesschatology: <RookFile>

So in a discussion of open game positions - evans gambits, Scotch games and so forth, you would favour a time-machine Morphy over a reanimated Tal, a 70s Fisher or an early 90s Kasparov?

Or do you just think that Morphy had the greatest natural talent for such positions? I’d sell my proverbial eye teeth to see this impossible theme tournament played out though.

Jan-04-06  CapablancaFan: Everyone seems to forget that Capa had been beating Alekhine for years before he finally sobered up, did his homework, and showed up stronger than ever in 1927. Imagine had Capa studied more...?
Jan-04-06  capablancakarpov: Finally Chessgames has posted some missed 1911 New York Tournament Capablanca games that i submitted a month ago. Capa finished second with +8=3-1.
Jan-04-06  Hidden Skillz: <capafan>imagine if alekhine was a great player as capa was in the period where capa was beating him? as far as i know it has nothing to do with alekhine drinking in his 20's and he was not rated more than third in the world at the time.. a period of time later alekhine beat him clearly like none other did before

the time is the most important thing here imo.. if somebody is dedicated it takes time and experience to accomplish something

<like a gm>neither did i say you were wrong.. all i did was answering to your question of "why lasker didnt win a single game" i mean a guy in his 50's against capa lol.. you see if the match had happened way before..perhaps the outcome would not have been as obvious as the +4

Jan-04-06  brankat: <chesschatology> In his comment on P. Morphy, Botvinnik was referring to Fundamental Principles of open games. And they still stand as strong as ever.

Of course there have been some refinements, new moves and variations, but that is a different matter entirely. Besides most of "new moves & variations" are not really new either.

Concerning Korchnoi's comment on Botvinnik's talent level, it may as well be disregarded completely. Korchnoi has be notoriously jelaous and disrespectful of every contemporary GM that had had more success then himself (Spassky, Petrosian, Karpov etc.)

Jan-04-06  like a GM: < Hidden Skillz: all i did was answering to your question of "why lasker didnt win a single game" > ughaibu said that Lasker was equal to Capa and i asked him why didn't he win a single game at their match? Yes, the answer was obviously what u said but that was not the point. That's why i said that tour comment was irrelevant to my point.
Jan-04-06  s4life: <ughaibu: S4life: I'm not a Lasker fan.>

But you like him better than Capa. The fact that you have all his brilliances in your game collections and nothing equivalent for Capa, should at least give that impression, so the bias appears.

Jan-04-06  iron maiden: How does <ughaibu>'s possible bias alter the 1920's tournament results?
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  offramp: Lasker did not prepare *at all* for the 1921 match.
Jan-04-06  s4life: <iron maiden: How does <ughaibu>'s possible bias alter the 1920's tournament results?>

You believe what you want to pal... I have no problem with that. I can chose as many statistics/facts and figures supporting the opposite case, but it's fruitless and extremely unproductive. Maybe when I retire we can resume this discussion.

Jan-04-06  like a GM: <The fact that you have all his brilliances in your game collections and nothing equivalent for Capa> Acyually, he also has a win by Capa against Lasker that won a brilliancy prize. They are not nesecarily victories by Lasker.
Jan-04-06  s4life: Let's try this again when you understand what the word equivalent means
Jan-04-06  like a GM: Lol, he has a game where Capa won against Lasker and won a brilliancy prize and the same the other way around. furthermore, most of the games at that collection are Lasker's losses. You mean he likes more Lasker because he doesn't have a collection where Capa loses more than wins?
Jan-04-06  s4life: dictionary.com, look for the word equivalent and try again
Jan-04-06  like a GM: I'm tired. <a collection where Capa loses more than wins> Wouldn't that be "equivalent" to Lasker's collection? Ofcourse if the games had won brilliancy prizes.
Jan-04-06  ughaibu: S4life: If my preferences can be determined by such statistics then I guess I like NN twice as much as I like Blackburne (Game Collection: Blackburne and Tal meet NN) which is news to me.
Jan-04-06  whatthefat: There's something I can't understand in this discussion of how great a player Capablanca was - and the general topic of dominance. I don't see why it keeps coming back to opinions and quotes, which are by nature subjective.

Chess is a game where moves are made, and at the end a result is recorded. That's the beauty of it: I can look at a game that's 300 years old and nothing is lost - it's fantastic!

So if I want to compare players to one another, <all> I need are the moves of the games, and the tournament results. From the games one can ascertain the quality of the play. And from the results a comparative rating system can be built and players compared within a given era (or possibly beyond, if the playing quality can also be factored).

There's really no need to bring up the fact that flim-flam thought slip-slop had a more magical quality than blip-blop.

Jan-05-06  s4life: <ughaibu>I never involved statistics here (like a GM did). See my original post.
Jan-05-06  ughaibu: Okay.
Did Capablanca lose enough brilliancy prize games to justify a collection? I've no special objection to such a collection, I just never noticed Capablanca losing brilliancy prize games, so why would I have thought of making a collection?
Jan-05-06  s4life: uh?
"Lasker brilliancy prize games". That's the name of your collection, not exclusively limited to loses. Or, do you mean Capablanca never got brilliance prizes in tournaments? I can give you some links if interested. In the end, why do you try so hard to look impartial? the moment you start making game collections, you lose impartiality... I see nothing wrong with that either, everyone has the right to have plus-ultras to reflect themselves upon.
Jan-05-06  ughaibu: I'm not a Lasker fan, okay, that's the full story. I made the Lasker collection because I noticed him losing brilliancy prize games. The idea that someone might find this unfair to Capablanca didn't occur to me at the time or since, why would it? Is Capablanca a conspicuous loser of brilliancy prize games? Do I need to repeat the themes of all my collections for every player who might qualify? "Kovasevic beats the world champions", "Steinitz and Morphy meet NN", "Rubinstein wins miniatures". . . . Is the next person going to tell me I'm biased in favour of Tal because I have a Tal collection? In fact I made my Tal collection in response to a challenge from Goldsby. It's pretty arrogant of you to think you know why I made any of my collections. Using Lasker to refute the claims of Capablanca's dominance doesn't show bias, Lasker is necessary for that refutation. From that period, if anything, I'm a Spielmann fan but it'd be daft to try to dispute Capablanca's dominance using Spielmann.
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