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| Knight13: <moronovich> It wasn't luck. And there is no luck in chess. |
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| alexmagnus: <there is no luck in chess.> Ironically, it's Jakovenko who may oppose to you (remember my quote from his K-factor-related paper?) |
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| moronovich: <Knight 13> Go back,and look at the ;) I added. |
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| Knight13: <moronovich> Crap I didn't see that sorry. My apologies. :-( <alexmagnus> Of course, losers will always justify their losses. And luck seems to be one of their lame excuses. And, no I didn't read the K-factor-related paper. Don't even know what that is! Where can we find it? |
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| Jul-02-09 |
| puzzlion: Congrats to the young genius. Sometimes I think that Carlsen is even greater than his rating suggests, much greater. (But then the rating system was always somewhat idiotic: Who could possibly be interested in what a player does when he has a bad day, is suffering from being sick or young, or in this or that predicament!) |
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| alexmagnus: <Knight13> The quote I mentioned is here: <Thus, the chess strength of two opponents is represented by the algorithms used by them, which provide, when colliding, the probability of one or another result. And in this sense the stronger player, not only generally, but also <the one using better algorithms on that very day, can nevertheless make worse moves and lose>.> |
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| slomarko: <alexmagnus: <slomarko> Do you know German names of cities Poland got after WWII from Germany?> Stettin, Breslau, Danzig. Why? |
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| Knight13: <alexmagnus> So in English that means the stronger player can still lose because the probability is still there to make that stronger player land on the wrong side of the coin? |
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| alexmagnus: <slomarko> Just wondered..You complained so much about the non-mentioning Polish name of Lvov/Lwow that I wondered if you'd complain that much if they didn't mention German history of those cities... And "by the way" asked yourself if you know anything about them (just names, but even that knowledge is not always given). |
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Jul-02-09
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| alexmagnus: <knight13> Kind of. The stronger player (that is, the one playing stronger on the given day) would beat the weaker one in a <match> but not necessarily in a game - despite playing stronger (with more winning probability) even on that day. |
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| alexmagnus: Also, <slomarko> one reason that they didn't mention the "Lwów" name is that it's pronunced pretty much the same as Russian Lvov. Not exactly the same but similarly enough. |
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| Knight13: <alexmagnus> K thanks for the clarification. |
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| slomarko: <alexmagnus> not only i know more the just the names of those cities but i know more or else everything about their history. btw how exactly is that pronounced in Russian? in Polish it's something like "lvuf". |
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| Jul-02-09 |
| yalie: So is Carlsen confirmed for Pearl Spring? Or is his appearance contingent on Anand / Topalov also being there? |
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| alexmagnus: <slomarko> The ó is closer to u? Hm, what I heard on a Ukrainian-Polish border was more close to o... In Russian it is a clear (but short) o - and yes, with "f" in then end too. |
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| slomarko: Very good play by Carlsen today; simple & strong, but the game also debunked the myth that Jakovenko is a great endgame player. In this position
click for larger view he played hg5? giving Carlsen a strong passer for free. why not simply Ke5, how can white generate a winning plan after that? |
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| slomarko: <<slomarko> The ó is closer to u?> lol, ó is exactly the same as u in Polish. |
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| Jul-02-09 |
| returnoftheking: I also was surprised with hxg4, but the real mistakes seem to have been made even earlier. At any rate it must be very dishartening to have to play that position with black and little time. |
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| Gambitor: After 36...Ke5 37.f4+ Kf6 38.gxh5 gxh5 39.Ke4 black's position is almost zuzgwang, the black king must stay in the ks, and white soon will have a passed a pawn (playing a4, a5 preparing b5) The bishop cant defend the qs, (i checked the lines with fritz) |
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| SetNoEscapeOn: <returnoftheking: I also was surprised with hxg4, but the real mistakes seem to have been made even earlier.> Actually, black is probably holding on until just after hxg4. According to Larry Christiansen, the real blunder is 37... Ke5, and he gives two drawing lines after 37... c5. |
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| Jul-02-09 |
| returnoftheking: Oh ok. Thanks for the info. I will wait till the game is annotated fully..Have the feeling that black's game was steadily going downhill from the opening.
Is hxg4 best then? |
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| SugarDom: Wow, after the queen exchange and it was late night here, i slept thinking it would be a long endgame ending in a draw... Magnus Bondsen foils KGB Agent....
Hurray!!! |
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| alexmagnus: <lol, ó is exactly the same as u in Polish.> As I said,I once heard it being pronounced as an intermediate between o and u, closer to o. But I didn't have many encounters with Polish language, so maybe it's some kind of border dialect I encountered ( it was close to Polish-Ukrainian border (on the Polish side)). |
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| Fincher: Gooooooooooooooooooooaaaaalllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!
;) |
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| SetNoEscapeOn: <returnoftheking: Oh ok. Thanks for the info. I will wait till the game is annotated fully..Have the feeling that black's game was steadily going downhill from the opening. Is hxg4 best then?> Well, to me it seems bad, and FM Lilov on chessbase also agrees with <slomarko>, but Christiansen passes over the move without comment. Unless the drawing lines that Larry gave are refuted, we can say that at the very least the move does not lose. |
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