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| slomarko: <my opinions aren't exactly greeted with extreme enthusiasm by everyone over at the nakamura page> frogbert trolling the naka fanboys is for sissies, real men troll the Philippine armada on the So page :D |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| frogbert: it's not even possible to pretend that you're having a discussion on the so page. on the nakamura page, however, there are several very reasonable kibitzers with whom it's possible to lead an actual conversation about a topic, where non-religious viewpoints are actually accepted. unfortunately, some extreme elements show up periodically there too, insisting on making every argument an expression of some personal issue or agenda. like "hating americans" or some such. it's actually quite comparable to the so page - just exchange the "racist card" with the "anti-american card" in the deck of the believers. ;o) |
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Sep-01-10
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| twinlark: <slomarko> Heh. That's funny. |
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Sep-01-10
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| Shams: I haven't gone to the Wesley So page in months. Every time I mouse over the link on the home page, I see something written in Tagalog. Hard to bait trolls when you don't speak the language. |
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Sep-01-10
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| SugarDom: Yeah! We're hardcore... :) |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| The Translator: <Shams>,You can visit the So page anytime now. |
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Sep-01-10
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| Shams: <TheTranslator> Why would I want to? Side question, might you have another handle on this site? |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| The Translator: I will translate all Tagalog posts. |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| The Translator: No,I don't have another handle. |
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Sep-01-10
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| Shams: <The Translator> Are you sure that's the best use of your time? |
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Sep-01-10
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| Shams: You just decided to wake up today, create an account on cg and translate into English? Well, God love ya, kid. |
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Sep-01-10
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| SugarDom: ok translate this...
kilala kita translator... |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| The Translator: <kilala kita translator> i know you translator. |
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Sep-01-10
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| SugarDom: and this...
ikaw si Thecorrector dati... |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| Bobwhoosta: It's funny, I made a comment that Wesley was "So So", and got jumped on immediately. From the brief glimpses I get of chessplayers, and a gut judgement based on that brief glimpse, I have decided: Anish Giri is going somewhere big!
So will be Top 20, maybe Top 10.
Caruana could easily be Top 5, and maybe better if he keeps improving. These are reactions based on my impression of their play, and in no way based on reality. Well, I guess we'll see on the reality part... |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| AuN1: what do any of the last 10 or so posts have to do with carlsen? |
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| Sep-01-10 |
| frogbert: aun1, not much. but there is some "carlsen page history" related to them. :o) |
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| Sep-02-10 |
| ycbaywtb: how long do you suppose Magnus will model?
will he tear up the vs. World game? |
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Sep-02-10
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| zarg: <frogbert: my opinions aren't exactly greeted with extreme enthusiasm by everyone over at the nakamura page> Well, not all fans around read what you write. :)
<having strong opinions about something in the future, though, isn't my typical modus operandi.> I don't see that observing Carlsen's games and evaluating his form, as a statement about the future. To me, that has more to do with the present and the past. However, if he is out of form, it should be detectable at classical time-controls too, so I predict a sub 2820 performance next. |
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| Sep-02-10 |
| frogbert: ycbaywtb, i think the raw challenge will be a draw, slightly depending on the organization of the "world team" and what kind of tools nakamura, polgar and vachier-lagrave will be able to use. since the event will take place in one day, the public audience might not be able to organize engine-evaluation and coordinated voting - but if a group of kibitzers here on cg.com (or other chess forums) will join forces, it probably won't be too hard to make sure that carlsen will face rybka's first choice among the 3 candidate moves. most of the time i think 3 candidate moves from these 3 strong gms will contain the move rybka would've chosen in the first place, even if the "team advisors" aren't allowed to use a computer. hence, if carlsen ends up effectively playing a multi-core rybka beast (or 3 or more of them, each analysing a candidate move) most of the time, the challenge will be tough on him and he might lose. if he plays a disorganized team of individuals, he's got winning chances. if it becomes something inbetween (which maybe is most likely), i consider a draw very possible. |
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| Sep-02-10 |
| frogbert: <I don't see that observing Carlsen's games and evaluating his form, as a statement about the future. > no i didn't imply it was - but some guys over at the naka page wants me to make bold statements about nakamura's future, while i prefer to consider what we already know. :o) |
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Sep-02-10
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| Rolfo: <frogbert> <btw, zarg - i think it's rather odd to suggest that i don't have the balls to hold an opinion.> zarg has to concede here :) <slomarko> <frogbert trolling the naka fanboys is for sissies, real men troll the Philippine armada on the So page :D> I wouldn't recommend for anyone outside chairman's gang to risk the balls at So page, they are pretty good at ball squeezing among themselves :) |
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Sep-02-10
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| rogge: <slomarko> <...trolling the naka fanboys is for sissies, real men troll the Philippine armada on the So page :D> Well, thanks! |
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Sep-02-10
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| Bobby Fiske: <I think the raw challenge will be a draw> I think Magnus will win, because “The World” is not coordinated. I guess it works like this: The expert panel (Nakamura, Maxime and Judith) suggest each their move. The moves have to be different from each other. Otherwise the public will have nothing to vote about. Right? (Except for a few “must” moves like moving the King when check, etc). Let’s say Magnus opens with d4. Nakamura will suggest d5, Maxime c6 and Judith Nf6. Then the public will choose one of these 3 alternatives by vote of majority. If Topalov is participating incognito among the audience with his super computer, it doesn’t matter, unless the computer’s choice is present among the 3 alternatives from the expert panel. Even then it doesn’t matter necessarily, unless the majority of the voters agree with Topalov’s supercomputer. Probably the majority of participants will be patzers, who will judge and vote differently than Rybka or some other chess engine. The many patzers will be tempted to choose visual strong moves, which lacks the deeper long term effect necessary to beat someone like Magnus Carlsen. The big handicap of “The World” is that they will not be able to make a plan involving many moves ahead. They will choose more or less random from move to move. If Nakamura see a 10 move winning combination, the risk is that the public will ruin it by including a move from Maxime or Judith in between. So, all in all, I think Magnus will win because he play all his moves without (random) interruption of his plan. |
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Sep-02-10
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| zarg: <Rolfo: <frogbert> <btw, zarg - i think it's rather odd to suggest that i don't have the balls to hold an opinion.> zarg has to concede here :)> frogs can make a lot of noise...
but point was about taking risks in the sense of potentially being <wrong>. |
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